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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 49 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That won't help for situations where a government shuts down access to the internet.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How resistant would this be to jamming? Iran managed to black out Starlink.

And how trackable is it? Not sure how many people would be prepared to run one of these boxes if the Revolutionary Guard are going to come knocking.

[–] frozenicecube@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's pretty easy to jam as it's just radio waves. Increase the noise on the channel and the chirps of your msg don't get heard. That said there are some options to vary the channel as a group, and jamming a broad and robust mesh completely vs an area of nodes is a bit harder.

Trackable as in traceable? You mean finding your node location? By default not overly difficult but again, can be set up to make it hard to find you.

[–] johntash@eviltoast.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be pretty easy to track down the source since its just radio?

[–] frozenicecube@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, which is why I said it wouldn't be overly difficult, especially with access to military equipment. TDOA could fairly easily pinpoint a signal location. Meshtastic is generally chatty but you can do stuff like reduce transmissions, and limit the amount of hops your msgs can make etc. or even if you knew who you were sending to, make it directional so it's harder to hear you. That said with the right tech, actively looking for nodes and listening to a chatty mesh radio it wouldn't be hard.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Riots fix that, not meshtastic

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Riots are better coordinated when people can communicate wirelessly

A government can shut down a riot of 10,000

It struggles with 10 1,000 person riots.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I think at that point it's more of a revolution than a riot, but I agree

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No doubt, but meshtastic really is a temporary solution, but a very good solution since it's only necessary for a temporary amount of time. I'm just saying there aren't really many cases outside of a catastrophic mass human extinction event that would disable the internet infrastructure beyond maybe a few years if that. Won't be a library of alexandria moment from a connectivity side, but which servers are still up is the real question

[–] DNS@discuss.online 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I didn't know riots and protests 50+ years ago depended on the internet. Crazy.

[–] desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago

they depended on communication

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago

You missed the word "better".

I never said meshtastic is a hard requirement.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If they shut the Internet and there is a decent meshtastic network they will jam that as well.

This is a non answer. yes, hypothetically they can, but the whole point of finding alternative channels is to make it difficult for them to do so, to the point that they might not even try.

That pessimism of "they can jam it anyways" is like saying do not wear a helmet while riding a bike, if you are meant to die that day, you will die regardless of head protection.

Plus, it will take resources for them to jam things, and the more resources they need to do that shit the faster it will deplete them and the less they can do, it is so obvious I do not know how to write it without sounding demeaning.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Maybe so, but incompetence is persistent within fascist organizations, and it adds an extra problem for them to deal with, which has value for that fact alone.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 day ago

It adds a lot of extra risk since each node is a constant radio beacon that is easily trackable.

Compared with handheld radio that broadcast and disappear.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Friend: do not underestimate how much greed the cel companies are capable of. Many have been working on their own satellite setups in preparation and blasting it in everyone’s face lately.