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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Before I give you mixed spanish sources, this is one of the best european made analysis on the topic of Immigration net revenue or loss by country (from the netherlands)
https://docs.iza.org/dp17569.pdf
Now these are spanish sources:
for example, africans in this graph only reach superior education or university 10% of the times, where locals are at 48.9% and latin american immigration at 31.5%, europeans at 28,8%, asians at 26%, and so on
Now, regarding work, just bellow that table on the same source, we can see the "activity rate" (so people that are either working or doing something towards it), locals 87%, average sits around 83%, africans are at 69%. For ocupation (which means they are actively working) 51%, while immigration from asia, europe, and locals sit above 70% points at all times, locals are at 80%.
For a final unemployment rate statistic of 8% for locals, 16% for second generation immigrants, and 25% for current generation immigrants (from africa)
(source: 4ºtrimester 2024 INE (national institute of statistics of spain))
You also have this study specifically on net tax win/loss, with sources at the bottom of it
https://fundaciondisenso.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/20250024_InformeXXIX-1.pdf
And again, I don't have any problems with immigration, but studies exist from a reason, and they are clear as water, I'd love for every person to have a chance to educate themselves, have a good job, start their life and so on. But that can't be at the expense of the people already at the country they are moving to.
how is this not borderline racism?
How is data racism?
Data might lead to racism. Or data might show racism. But data is not racism.
Data is meaningless without context, bias and choices about what is taken as data and how it is taken. Data is a direct expression of the biases we bring to the table when we first begin with a question.
If you believe data cannot encode racism into it, you are a fool.
As I said, data cannot be racist. The methodology to obtain it might be.
But then you should not attack the data, you should attack the methodology.
Any good study will explain their methodology along with the data obtained with it.
Racism is the prejuice of a group of people based on their skin color. I'm not making a prejuice because I'm not speculating, and also, I'm not grouping them by skin color even, I also mentioned and showed that first gen immigration assimilated better, and latin americans too. I'm giving you data of what's been happening, not what I like or not, this is a serious topic