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Sure, sure - so who are the Lemmyleft promoting instead?
. . .
It . . . you have to have someone. To, y’know, recieve the votes.
. . . Anyone? There’s a big thing happening in a couple of years. I’m told these things need to be planned out or something.
We don't even know who's running yet. Implying people aren't allowed to criticize shitty hypocritical politicians because they might, at some future date, announce they're running for president is completely ridiculous.
Since when is
A reason to say a terrible politician is terrible?
Since that’s all it has ever been. Biden’s terrible, Harris is terrible, Schumer and Jeffries are beyond terrible - yeah, great, got it. What’s the plan then?
All I ever get are non-sequitur rants about seizing the means of production and incorrect assertions about the elections process from people who have never lived in the US. That is - by itself, with nothing ever else appearing - less than worthless.
Wild how often it's the case of dems in power being terrible.
Also so does that mean we can't say trump/putin/bibi is terrible without specifying an alternative?
I see some love for AOC (but also insta-damnation if dog forbid she hews incorrectly), Mamdani got a lot of love (for a city mayor) at least until he made the fatal error of crossing a SocDem, and Bernie gets love. But that’s it. 99.8% of Democrats are the worst, most evil fascists under the sun according to their support base. If you believe that.
Is it any wonder they look to the center for support when it gets close to election time?
For the first 100 slams, no those are free. After that you have to have something else besides a big bag of bitching. But only for trump, unless you’re voting in the israeli or russian election.
Which, sometimes I wonder if some of the commenters are.
Yeah cause they don't want to actually provide anything the people want.
And unsurprisingly again avoiding the point to continue to just punch left
What like national healthcare? A Green New Deal? Yeah The People din’t want that shit they want to murder children, right?
What point? Democratic candidates are depraved existential horrors roaming the land devouring women and children alive for sport? Sure lemme google some things i’ll get back to you.
The so-called left can’t even be relied upon to vote against literal paramilitary gangs roaming the streets murdering mothers and nurses. That’s who you want them to spend all their political capital chasing? Well, good luck. But just so you know they’re not going to vote anyway. Purity tests are real and they are unwinnable.
Weird how neither parties run on that
Wow, amazing how you're only point is blaming the voters.
Again, both parties were okay with that. There wasn't one who would stop it
Well, one party ran on the first part multiple times making a big push for it that took up a full year in two administrations, and actually made the second one law, so. Get a clue?
I'm blaming the non-voters. Keep up.
The DHS is still shut down. Do you actually know how anything works? Because it'd be great if you could do that.
Is that supposed to show one side is fighting against it? Dems doing nothing to plan or prevent gop from implementing their will on the country, just like failure to codify roe v wade into law.
You're blaming everyone that isn't worshipping the dnc, including voters.
Which has stopped what? Even now the dems aren't fighting to remove or stop ice just increase training and more cameras.
Wow more insults
?? What?
Wrong again, but it was a bonus question so you won’t lose any points.
Has stopped everything that isn’t specifically declared critical to national security or budgeted separately in the Big Ugly Boondoggle bill.
Yeah it’d be great if they could just blink and nod and poof ICE is gone, trillions go to healthcare, education, and the environment, but I guess they must not want to blink and nod. That’s most likely it and no other reasons.
Dems continue to drop the ball in all aspects of governing again and again. Gop spent what 40-50 years to get roe v wade over-tuned. Dems just let gop break norms and laws to pack the courts.
They do not future plan for anyone but their donors.
And again you're ignoring the part they don't even want to do anything about ice except training and body cameras, as the ones doing the most damage to citizens and civilians are the veterans of the force and already being filmed.
It's the perfect encapsulation of how little this democrat party and leadership will do for the people AND how they just work on optics rather than you know actually doing anything.
Then again nothing will change your perception of the party so you're response will still ignore everything and simply focus on how this all means we need to get behind candidates now
There are a lot of failures I wish they hadn’t failed at, yes. Tom Daschle in particular, but that’s a different thread.
Disagree. Their donors have no idea how they’ll fuck up the next thing either.
This is not about ICE but since we should all benefit from my ability to search, The full list of Democrats’ demands is as follows:
1. Targeted enforcement
DHS officers cannot enter private property without a judicial warrant. End indiscriminate arrests and improve warrant procedures and standards. Require verification that a person is not a US citizen before holding them in immigration detention.
2. No masks
Prohibit ICE and immigration enforcement agents from wearing masks and other face coverings.
3. Require ID
Require DHS officers conducting immigration enforcement to display their agency, unique ID number and last name. Require them to verbalize their ID number and last name if asked.
4. Protect sensitive locations
Prohibit funds from being used to conduct enforcement near sensitive locations, including medical facilities, schools, childcare facilities, churches, polling places, courts, etc.
5. Stop racial profiling
Prohibit DHS officers from conducting stops, questioning and searches based on an individual’s presence at certain locations, their job, their spoken language and accent, or their race or ethnicity.
6. Uphold use-of-force standards
Place into law a reasonable use-of-force policy, expand training and require certification of officers. In the case of an incident, the officer must be removed from the field until an investigation is concluded.
7. Ensure state and local coordination and oversight
Preserve the ability of state and local jurisdictions to investigate and prosecute potential crimes and use-of-excessive-force incidents. Require that evidence is preserved and shared with jurisdictions. Require the consent of states and localities to conduct large-scale operations outside of targeted immigration enforcement.
8. Build safeguards into the system
Make clear that all buildings where people are detained must abide by the same basic detention standards that require immediate access to a person’s attorney to prevent citizen arrests or detention. Allow states to sue the DHS for violations of all requirements. Prohibit limitations on member visits to ICE facilities regardless of how those facilities are funded.
9. Body cameras for accountability, not tracking
Require use of body-worn cameras when interacting with the public and mandate requirements for the storage and access of footage. Prohibit tracking, creating or maintaining databases of individuals participating in first amendment activities.
10. No paramilitary police
Regulate and standardize the type of uniforms and equipment DHS officers employ during enforcement operations to bring them in line with civil enforcement.
Now i’m no mathimagician but i’m pretty sure 10 is more than two so we’ll point out that (a) you’re wrong again, and (b) if we had gotten 2% more support in 2024 there would be none of this fucked up ICE-as-secret-police bullshit.
I appreciate the Democrats have problems, and let’s fucking fix them because doing nothing (that’s all other parties except the republicans plus your various -isms that don’t vote due to reasons) will not stop the republicans from creating our imminent destruction.
Of course we said that in 2024 and instead of any support just got this mix of hate for colonialism (? okay) and non-stop shrieking about genocide so here we are with fascism on full display and really no end in sight because The Perfect Candidate doesn’t exist and the so-called-left won’t even agree as to what day it is.
Midterms in eight months. Howabout we don’t fuck it up again?
Just chiming in here to say that you are the most insufferable person imaginable and a perfect example of the attitude that has caused the Democratic party to lose repeatedly to the most moronic fascist movement in history. This - what you are doing now - is far more to blame for the rise of fascism in this country than the DNC's critics on the left who you so obnoxiously love to whip into silence for the sake of electing another corporate stooge who will only keep the seat warm for the next fascist to humiliate them.
Glad you love the status quo! Because you’re going to get more of it then.
If you actually think [Democratic Representative] is a fascist, then you’re an idiot. Do they make bad decisions? Sometimes! Are they supporting capitalism? Usually! Is it better than republican actual-no-shit-irl fascism? YES. 10,000%. But if you’re stuck so far up your own ism that you can’t be arsed to defeat republicans, and there’s not another party for 3000 miles then - settle in. You’ll get more of this.
Which is what we told you 18 months ago and you shit on it then too. And the ensuing carnage hasn’t changed your mind at all.
So 7 of the 10 are training, 1 is the cameras and the other 2 are just saying follow the law so great demands. Which as you pointed out earlier is also due to the bill they voted through so not really helping case.
Again not at all relevant with newsom who isn't running in the midterms. If anything hes the one hurting the cause as he is terrible and keeps being in the public eye as the current top dem in the wings
Apology accepted
The funding bill specified none of that, nor would it. (Although, yeah it should have. Crushing norms like trump does means a ridiculous escalation in bureaucracy unless we want to leave it open like that.)
Yeah. Wait, what cause?
Love how this sums up all of your comments
You mean the glorious struggle?
This always means "I have no standards and I expect you to abandon yours."
Mamdani fell out of favor?
For a few minutes, yeah.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/28/nyregion/mamdani-dsa-socialist-mayor.html
Paywalled article
Yeah you'll need to use an archive site to read it, or else search those keywords. Need help?
Yes
https://archive.ph/Zyhtr
https://dailyfreepress.com/11/23/23/216735/not-endorsing-chi-osse-is-a-worrying-sign-for-the-zohran-mayoralty-and-anti-blackness-within-the-ny-dsa-the-dissenting-opinion/
Of the people who've expressed interest in a 2028 run, I'd take Buttigieg or Kelly over Newson any day. Of the speculated candidates, AOC over all 3. Pritzker over Newson, too.
There yo go. See people, it’s not that hard
You'll forget this and repeat your bullshit about the left not having a candidate the next time anyone expresses any dissatisfaction whatsoever with one of your preferred genocidal candidates.
pull Al Franken out of retirement. This Newsom bullshit ain't it.
Also good!
Because the primaries haven't started is why people usually say this is an acceptable time to criticize newsom.
He is spending all his time trying to meet people who think he's the devil halfway. He's so delusional, idk if we'd get anything from Newsom but MAGA-light anti trans bullshit, anti homeless bullshit. He doesn't know or care about the democrat voters or their needs at all.
Other governers have been floated. Idk if we need Newsom at all in any future presidential election.
And fair enough, but what - besides shitting on existing candidates - is there? Now that we’re nearly midway to the next presidential election?
So far in the, now years, that I’ve been asking, there’s nothing. Nothing but more shitting on existing candidates and outrage that I should ask who should get support.
That seems . . . not viable as a strategy to gain access to offices.
Idk. We'll see if his midterm gambit pays off and if he has any other anti gerrymandering proposals.
He's bad on affordability. He's bad on social issues. He's bad on economic issues. The only thing going on is he seems to understand twitter and gerrymandering.
Agitating for better policies is not "nothing" no matter how much you're bothered by it.
edit: I'm also fascinated by this commentary because for a year+ leftists and progressives were told not to criticize Biden because it was "too close to an election", and now we're being told by the same people that not to criticize any potential candidate at any time, or else we're hurting the democrats' chances in 2 and a half years.
It's like libs have learned absolutely nothing from blithely accepting a milquetoast, unpopular moderate shitbag as their candidate and getting their asses handed to them for it.
What part of "Newsom is worse than Hitler" is "agitating for better policies"?
I'm specifically saying you should advocate for the candidate you want NOW instead of only and forever shitting on candidates other people pick. But you can't even do that.
Because you're using "libs" I'm assuming you're not American? Or just have a real affinity for the republican nazi party?
Or are you actually an anarchist and therefore opposed to elections?
Who said Newsom is worse than Hitler?
Lmao, yea I'm not touching that one
Should I take this to mean that you've selected Newsom before he or anybody else has actually announced? Who has 'picked' a candidate at this point?
What I don't see in this comment is an actual defense of Newsom by any sort of merit, which is about as expected. People criticizing Newsom (or any other presumptive candidate at this point) for his policy positions are sending signals that there's a hole in the presumptive candidate pool that someone can fill. If someone were to actually announce their candidacy, they'd have a pretty clear lane to pick that Newsom has left open (but actually maybe not, since he himself can't seem to pick a lane on just about any issue, and is instead just swerving back and forth across the entire field). I think AOC would be a decent pick to fill that lane, even if I have my apprehensions, but she hasn't announced yet either.
Are you new here?
Oh no, I don’t know anything about him other than his trump trolling. I just see people already losing their minds at the thought that he could be the nominee.
I’d love to see an AOC candidacy. But given America’s obvious problem with voting for women I dunno how it would play out. I guess it depends if we all survive that far.
Yeah yeah just fell off the turnip truck. Back home liberal means progressive and leftist is between sophmore and junior in college. As it has done for literally generations. Other countries, though, use it differently.
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I can read. So. Good one.
Has that not occurred to you? Here. You should probably realize that other people are involved in deciding your country's future. Take your time.
Cynically picky? Ha! What bullshit.
What
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You might be able to read but you've certainly missed the irony.
PSL
it's psl
go organize with the psl
instead of sitting on your ass lecturing others they should be doing something help out the psl
a better candidate isn't going to materialise out of nowhere you actually have to do something with the psl
AOC.
Go ahead. Let me know that the genocide wing is suddenly racist and sexist as soon as it's suggested that a progressive woman of color might run.
I'll assume you're asking in good faith despite coming across as an obtuse chunk of drywall.
Most of the big bets are waiting for midterms before making a move. It will be a handful of names like Mark Kelly, AOC, I wouldn't be surprised if Ro Khanna jumps into the ring. It may be more too, but again, midterms are going to basically dictate who gets the power and support.
My bets are on Mark Kelly currently, and leads my personal list alongside AOC. Not perfect candidates, but would be amazing leaders of US policy and tone for the repair-work we need to do.
On the other side, we're going to get an absolute circus of freakish, stupid right-wing nutjobs and youtube influencers and CEO's. They're also waiting for the midterms to get a gauge of how good their chances are.
(I've been around a few decades, this is not new, we are going to get a democrat president, who will spend 8 years fixing the economy, then dumbass fucking chud population will finally rage at the woke and liberalism and elect some kind of mecha-Mussolini to start a bunch of wars and start the cycle over again.)
I encourage you to actually get politically informed so you can you know, vote intelligently. Assuming you're in the US.
If you read any of their comments you'll sadly see they are not doing anything in good faith.
Best one from them is that they apparently know absolutely nothing about newsom
That sounds about right, actually. Will anyone punish the corrupt nazis in office though?
No.