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Glenn Diesen, huh. Nothing wrong with watching it if you want to, but be aware that everything said will be fully compatible with Russian propaganda.
Jeffrey Sachs is a Russian propagandist as well. I'm not surprised this was posted on lemmygrad
A lie spreads quickly, but the truth endures. Jeffrey Sachs is simply a Western lib who found some conscience, and reactionaries have nothing but empty accusations.
Birth name: Glenntropher Diesenutts
Similar to what the other responder said, I don’t onow who Glenn Diesen is, but you could replace Jeffrey Sachs name in your statement and it would be equally true.
Could as well mean that the truth is labeled as Russian propaganda or that Russian propaganda is closer to the truth than American propaganda.
What matters are facts. What is wrong and what are the biggest lies that he is spreading?
no no, this is not how the american cultists work.
If party A says the sun comes up in the east party B must deny it dogmatically.
Eh, until you ask them how their own war of choice in Ukraine is going.
It's different than the numbers in the west. Which source can be trusted as an objective truth to know how much each side is off?
It's pretty wild seeing Jeffrey Sachs called a Russian propagandist. Wikipedia credits him as the architect of "shock therapy" that undermined Russian economy.
The numbers are anybody's guess, and even they probably don't know for sure.
But I'm talking about things like Russia claiming they had taken a specific town, and then Zelesnky posting a video of himself walking around in that town. Pretty clear which one is objective truth in cases like that.
Russia does very little of this, and much less than Ukrainian denials of reality. Mostly the front lines that Russia claims are reality. Definitely no example of a highly contested town that Zelensky walked through.
I didn't watch this video, so I dunno what lies are being spread in this case. Russian propaganda is a vast playground of sculpted bullshit, with a wide variety of sights to see. They're much better at it than the Americans. In the video I did watch recently, not realizing at first what it was, they were going with the general theme that the USA is totally going to lose the war against Iran. Why youtube's recommendations algorithm started trying to tempt me with this stuff all the time lately I have no idea.
These videos might be useful for finding out what the Russian propaganda machine wants you to believe, but not for anything else.
Why? Couldn't America be so good that people don't notice?
After Vietnam and Afghanistan that's reasonable to assume. The interesting part is the discussion about why America doesn't care.
Interesting, isn't it? Why would a US company offer Russian propaganda?
What's your argument for Diesen being part of the machine and not neutral?
Hahaha — no. Well, some people, some of the time. Americans have more flavours to choose from. If you're genuinely ignorant of the basics of all this stuff, I don't even know what to recommend. Good luck out there.
The only way to get to the truth is to listen to everyone's bullshit narratives and try to pick out the grain of truth in each. This has always been the case, throughout human history.
I don't think that's true. If you're properly critical of your sources, and a ton of statements can safely be ignored. And that's a good thing too, since it's also not possible to be closely familiar with absolutely all narratives. There's a lot of them.
I should not have used the phrase "everyone's narratives". I was referring more to tribalism.
So, for example, when we start analyzing the US-Iran hostilities, we can't trust any narrative that comes out of either the US or Iran. Recently, a school was hit by a US missile and children died, it tugged my heartstrings. I felt outrage. But then someone pointed out that the report of dead children could be a psy-op by Iran. Ok, fair point. Time to withhold judgement and check other sources for more information. In this case, it seems that the report was tragically genuine.
I don't trust people to do this anymore. A lot of people, across just about every segment of the population, are blisteringly stupid and can't actually form critical thought.
I get in an argument almost every week because someone, either in real life or online, can't tell what "better" or "worse" mean. This is a rising effect that emerges from large-scale cognitive decline, a black-and-white system of analysis of the world. So if I say to someone "This tie-down system is more safe than the tie-downs you're using" I fully expect now for someone to say "My system isn't dangerous, why are you saying it's dangerous?" instead of understanding that there are risk levels that scale and I'm not talking absolutes. I never had interactions like this before and I have to now carefully tip-toe around every professional conversation because nuance is dead.
This is one tiny sliver of an example, but it's widespread. People largely are having a very, very hard time figuring out anything on their own. Even basic shit like values and ethics... had a friend suddenly convert to evangelical christianity out of fucking nowhere because he had a crisis because he couldn't figure out if he was "good" or not and now just preaches gospel every interaction and admits it makes it easier because he "doesn't have to think about it" and just knows he's "saved."
A bigger example: the entire covid 19 thing.
What do you mean "anymore"? My whole point is that everything you are seeing is normal. The misdirection, the fake news, the corruption. It's always been there. The difference today is that information travels much, much faster than it used to.