“Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”

The goal is to keep opinions we don't want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,...

https://archive.is/PoUMo

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I thought that guy was talking about organized shilling for corporate interests? Not geopolitical ones? I mean I'm sure the tactics are the same (actually I'm sure they are orders of magnitude more sophisticated now when done by state actors), just wanted to correct the record about that particular person.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago

Why do you want to correct the record? It was about politics anyway, whether this guy admits it or not. Cambridge Analytica was a thing.

[–] dumblederp@aussie.zone 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Alt-left I've heard them called.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 9 hours ago

Hey that's a good one.

[–] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Cause nothing is bad like western imperialism.

The funniest is when they say "capitalism destroys the planet". It isn't wrong, but no capitslistic country has never managed something that bad...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Don’t forget Lake Karachay, or Chernobyl for that matter.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah. Human greed and corruption destroys the planet. It infests capitalism just as it does communism or anarchism or whatever else.

Not to say that capitalism doesn't inflame and amplify some of its failings in specific ways that we urgently need to do something about or else be destroyed... but again, so does everything else as far as I can tell. Getting rid of capitalism won't do a damn thing to solve the actual problem, I don't think.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I was looking for a Cowbee quote that I thought I remembered that it was impossible for Russia to be imperialist, by definition, because it was opposed to the US and that means it can't be imperialist. Clearly. I found this, though, and got distracted from the original mission:

Like I said, why not try to get some people elected in the next cycle?

Because electoralism cannot establish Socialism. The Squad are not Socialists, they are Social Democrats. The only Socialist you can vote for is Claudia De La Crúz, and she cannot win because she cannot get 270 votes.

I am not “proving your point,” it is physically impossible to do what you’re suggesting.

Physically impossible for a socialist to win an election. Clearly. Which is why we need to vote for socialists.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

At our current rate its looking like it might be easier just to start a new country. Let the Redhats take theirs and we'll build some place sensible.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly it's not a bad idea. Playboy Magazine did that with Vermont in the 70s, just recommended that all the sensible people who were alarmed and disgusted with the Nixon stuff all move to the same state and try to take it over, and to this day, Vermont is kind of a nice place to live because enough sensible people moved there to have a big influence.

I vote for New Zealand. IDK how the locals would feel about a whole bunch of smelly Americans all migrating there at the same time but if they let us in, it definitely looks like a pretty sweet location.

[–] ChippiChappa@ani.social 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

NZ is currently under a right-wing government, and is extremely unaffordable to live that many young people are leaving to Australia, which itself is unaffordable to live.

Get a bunch of mobile homes and move to where distrcicts are gerrymandered the most and flip 'em.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That's where Thiel and zuck and a bunch of other people with their ideals have bought islands and built bunkers.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Even better, we can come in disguised as prostitutes and then take over their bunker.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Better go armed, then. I wouldn't be surprise if they have armed drones, but I can be wrong.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 9 hours ago

😂