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the part where you think black people don't deserve any kind of help for still being fucked by western racism, with the excuse you can't keep track of it.
the "you are a white westerner" part was an educated guess based on that opinion.
"educated guess" does not mean what you think it means
i do, it's just that some things really scream spoiled westerner for a global southerner, and westerners don't usually notice. and it seems like my guess was correct after all anyway.
Never said black people don't deserve any kind of help. That is just stupid. What I said is:
What I agree is:
I see nothing racist in this opinion, but please enlighten me. The only one talking all the time about black and white is actually you
you didn't say that but ok.
and the vast majority of modern western countries are very much benefiting from neocolonialism now, which was made possible by racism and their previous domination by traditional colonization.
most western nations (most of those voting to abstain very much included) have to stop exploiting the global south before they can even begin reparations.
There is no need for racism to enable modern exploitation. Most western countries exploit their own citizens. Neocolonialism is driven by profit maximization, geopolitical realism and capitalism. See Soviet economic imperialism and china belt and road initiative. Race was a moral justification in the past. It is not needed anymore.
not nearly to the same extent. yall not working majority 6-7 day weeks and 12-14 hour days.
and justified by racism. ask the average usian why is south america poor, or the average european why is africa poor and they will come up with all sorts of racism over imperialism.
shit, this thread is a good example. i wish western colonialism was summed up by just selling us shit like you imply here with the allusion to china.
(actually, i wish you stopped trying to justify all the murder and poverty you keep making happen, but what do i know i'm just a person on the other end of your murderous rampage)
No, justified by greed.
They don't need excuses anymore. They'll exploit their own "race" if it's profitable - and they do.
I do nothing to you. The "shit" my country is doing to you is probably buying raw material on the market and selling high-value manufactured good. The same that China does, so I do not understand what do you mean by "allusion". The other "shit" my country does is brain drain allowing migrants from your country to mine. And in the end billions of euros every years go from my country to your as remittances, foreign aid and investment. Details depends on the country.
Full of people in the US that work 6-7 days 12-14 hours a day an still live in poverty. That is not about how much money a country has, but the labor laws.
take responsibility for once. stop trying to compare you and the us to the conditions of exploited third world countries you know absolutely nothing about. a fraction of usians are seeing a fraction the consequences of not caring about what they do to us for a century.
what a joke. you lobby hard to destroy our economy and environment then pretend sending few millions to the corrupt politicians you propagandized into power for just that is anything but bribery.
fuck you and your country. i'm done talking to fascists.
You should know fascist is not "someone who disagrees with you".
How, please explain. How. You do not even know what my country is. You are just spreading lies because of your bias
my brother in christ, how does europe keep africa economically stunted? how does the us keep south america submissive?
do you literally not know you force them onto your own currency, or keep bombing or sanctioning the fuck out of us if we refuse to follow your shitty rules that keeps us down, or is that just fascist dissimulation?
is the fact your globally-reaching openly nazi media willingly spreading fascist rhetoric and shadowbanning any antifascism worldwide not a clue at all?
Decades of corruption (of wealthy africans, politicians) and coups.
Same,with the help of the CIA.
You do not know what my country is, I do not know what your country is, but rest assured you are not using my currency. You are just asserting vague lies.
way to steer us back off subject, i guess it's really just fascist dissimulation.
you could literally look up the things i said. quote me where i lied about anything here.
there. But I need to know your country to be sure. Are you iranian?
LMAO well currently i could be iranian, venezuelan or palestinian, there has been threats to colombians especially but the entirety of south america, really.
and i was counting only the ones you currently bomb, and none of the other tragedies you induce.
now about forcing others into your currency is where europeans shine, you are aware half of africa have a currency and economy completely controlled by you right? like openly so?
you could literally fucking look all of this up.
sure, but I am not american, so my country has never bombed iran, venezuela or palestine, so I guess all this is irrelevant. If you are referring to the CFA franc I am not French either.
yet you collect the spoils of both, by your own admission. or how do you think you can do trade that's so massively unequal with the third world?
or how can you own, say, the electrical infrastructure of entire cities while we pay absurd prices to pay for your fat salaries? would a sovereign country allow this?
Just to give you an example my country pays an African country in natural gas three times what it sells in manufactured goods so it is not that bad. I mean, they definitely want to keep that deal. Regarding the electrical infrastructure, that is something China does, for example with Laos, not my country.
I have yet to see these famous spoils you are talking about...
i'm not repeating myself to someone that sounds fascist. answer the questions i posed you in the comment you responded to (the ones you ignored) and you might get an idea.
your country isn't funding shit elsewhere that's not yours to profit off of. also guess why laos needs help with getting infrastructure rebuilt. who scorched-earth bombed it?
I guess their infrastructure was bombed by the US, not by my country. I am happy with your beef with the US, I also have beef with the US, but I am neither fascist nor american.
I honestly have no idea what you are referring to... my country has trade imbalances with African country in favor of those countries, so technically with that and the amount of remittances and foreign aid, technically I pay for your salaries not the other way around. I am honestly confused what you are referring to.
why are you coming up with fascist ideas to me then?
if you are on western europe, you likely just need to look closer with few exceptions.
what are those fascist ideas? You are the one that is continuously telling me I am a fascist, an abuser, an evil terrible person. The only thing I said at the start of the conversation with you was that my country was a western country and not a slaver country. It is like this simple fact is imploding your limited view of the world.
imperialism is fascist and it's diminishing, justification and denial is the main way in which western europeans sell themselves as beacons of democracy while demolishing the rest of the world.
if you are western you collect the spoils of slavery, with very few exceptions. stop struggling against this fact.
Then I guess I am one of those exception then. Not sure you would agree, but the only western countries that qualify to me are the US, the UK, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Portugal. To a lesser extent also Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and Germany.
That keeps lot of western countries out. Austria, Hungary, Croatia,Slovenia, Italy, Greece, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.
Imperialism is not fascist. Imperialism was born much earlier than fascism was.
most of the countries you mentioned as western are part of the global south. brazil, argentina, mexico and some of eastern europe to a lesser extent.
argentina currently has an us-aligned fascist in power deregulating their markets for foreign extraction, the situation in the majority of latin america is not very different rn. mexico has us-backed cartels fucking shit up to pressure sheinbaum after a pathetic attempt for a coup. brazil might get another openly fascist president soon, mostly because of us social media bombarding them with propaganda.
finland norway germany and italy are very much engaging in the unequal trade enabled by imperialism i mentioned. eg. how italy owns the electrical grid in some places in south america and charge high prices for their actually cheap energy.
i'm not well versed in canadian imperialism but i hear really bad things about them.
oh and imperialism wasn't invented by fascists, but very much adopted by them as one of their defining traits.
If your standard for imperialism is “some companies from a state are operating in another state under that state regulated market” then every state is imperialistic: Italy’s Trenitalia manage trains in Spain and the UK, Spain bank Santander operate as a major player in Italy, Germany Volkswagen operate factories in Mexico, China and Brazil. China battery CATL operates in Spain. Brazil aerospace Embraer has factories in Portugal.
But is interesting your shift from “your country is a slaver country” to “your country’s companies operate subsidiary in other law regulated markets”.
For example, Enel (Italy) operate in South America with concessions that can be revoked by the country if Enel does not follow the law, while prices are not decided by Enel. Electrical grid is a natural monopoly, so prices are decided by government entities (ANEEL for Brazil, CREG for Colombia, CNE for chile). See for example this: https://legal.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/chile-fines-italys-enel-19-million-over-2024-power-outages/117472660 “We hope that not just Enel, but all companies, see that they need to comply with regulations and understand that in Chile nobody is above the law”
And sorry to reiterate but fascism and imperialism are not the same. While both have an affinity for capital market, the core tenant of fascism is militarism, political violence, suppression of media and suppression of the individual to serve the state. State that are fascist are Russia for example, with other arguing that Hungary is becoming a fascist regime as well. The current US administration has traits that I would link with fascism as well. Other states with strong nationalism are North Korea, Myanmar, Eritrea.