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Biden officials vent frustrations in dealing with Netanyahu, decry missed chance of Saudi deal
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Genocide is the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group, according to Oxford.
The fact that we're still talking about Palestine under Trump means it wasn't eradicated under Biden. I'm sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I'm sure Biden was working to prevent it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
So the op is about how Biden was not doing anything to prevent it and how he was just letting them do whatever they wanted. Did you actually read any part of it?
Are you just arguing old talking points whenever you see people being critical of how Biden handled the situation?
I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they're not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
I love you ignored the part of it being a genocide which is why I linked it.
And ignored the part of reading the article about how Biden refused to stop the genocide.
Now your argument is somehow rebuilding Palestinian land and doing peacekeeping, which again was something the us under Biden vetoed at the un
The US also proposed ceasefires to the UN which were also Vetoed by China.
1 which wasn't an actual ceasefire, just a temporary one which Israel could use to rearm, which is why others vetoed it. There was even a vote later to have it turn into a permanent ceasefire but then the usa vetoed that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-fails-pass-us-resolution-calling-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-22/
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I'm sure Russia and China are real worried about those people. /s
Excellent rebuttal to refute evidence showing Biden did anything to stop the genocide.
10/10
You're the one defending their veto while condemning others.
Explaining the one they did that you claim is only thing that prevented biden from acting
Still haven't shown anything that resolves biden of supporting the genocide
If anything my argument is that Biden was somewhat inactive on the issue while you're arguing that Biden actively participated in the atrocities.
Because he was actively supporting Israeli actions and leaders...
Yes Michael Herzog, pro-genocide Israeli. You're throwing that name in as if it's a trustworthy source. Israel doesn't want us to trust the democrats, Israel favors the Republicans like Trump.
Which is why its so sad Biden bent over backwards for them.
That sentiment is exactly what Israel, Republicans, and adversary nations wants you to believe.
Want us to believe what?
That. That is exactly the lie that they've fed you.
I see no evidence will change your idea that Biden was a hero would could do wrong.
If you think he did anything to stop Israel i got a bridge to sell you
It's kind of like me explaining Fuscia is closer to red than blue and you're having an argument about how orange isn't green.
More like its raining out but youre trying to argue it isn't.
Or the politicians/rich people in Look Up.
Dude, you know you've lost the plot when you're resorting to deflecting and whataboutism.
When you have to start your argument with a fucking Merriam Webster definition, you should realize that your argument is shit. (This is of course the royal "you")
Clearly my good faith discussion was wasted on you and Gofer.
If you look back on your exchange with Gofer you'll find that you brought up a topic completely different from Gofer's point not once but twice. No matter your political beliefs, that's not good faith discussion. If anything it's the sort of thing we (as in everyone to the left of Reagan) make fun of when right wingers and tankies do it.
Gofer presented an article. I continued the discussion presented to me. If you don't want your statement to include the entirety of an article, then maybe just quote a piece of it and use the article as citation.
Sigh why do I even bother? Say hello to the concentration camps for me.
My favorite part is this all they can do is repeat already disproven talking points.
That's the problem when they focus on the aesthetics and 'optics' over the truth.
The evidence is overwhelming and has been for well over a year, from reports by international human rights organizations to polls on support for the weapon embargo
Yeah but optics and vibes are all they have :/
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that's 7 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 5 to 6 digits dead or injured, that leaves 7 digits still in Gaza. The Israelis and Trump's Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
The Rwandan Genocide happened, the Gaza Genocide is currently happening. It did not occur under Biden, would not have occurred under Harris.
EDIT: rough morning, digit numbers fixed
Uh... What? 1.9 is 7 digits, of which there were conservatively estimated to be 6 digits of dead by mid-2024. By the most conservative estimate possible, more than 10% of Gazans were fucking dead by the time your dear Biden left office.
Yeah Biden leaned on Egypt and Jordan to accept exactly the same thing also in mid-2024 and was told to go fuck himself. For now Israel is blocking out all aid, which is the exact same thing it did at the start of the war under Biden.
I thank you for correcting my zero count, I will do the same for you, 40,000 is only 5. It's been a rough morning for me.
40000 is the number of people directly killed (as in shot or or blown to bits) by the IDF who the Gaza Health Ministry physically counted. That's not an estimate, that's a number you then use to make an estimate, like this one. If you have a study counting indirect deaths and producing a number less than this, then let's see it, because otherwise this is a full six digits.
I didn't use that number, you did. You brought up the mid-2024 conservative estimate.
I have better things to do in my life than continue this farce of a conversation, but god damn some of y'all really do deserve Trump.
If people listened to me then we wouldn't have Trump.
Lmao you have Trump because people listened to you and people like you. You probably know what I mean by that (hint: Screw liberals, go left) so I won't bother, but maybe try something different next time.
You think more of the millions of former DNC voters would have showed up if we screamed "Biden is a baby murderer" and "Biden wants a new holocaust" from the rooftops? I get the feeling inaccurately labeling him as a genocider had some impact on the 2024 election.
It's been a genocide for over a year
Others: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC
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Let's not pretend that Trump's plan to forcibly remove all Palestinians from Gaza isn't a revival of the same plan put forth by Biden behind closed doors.
The only obligation the US has, under the Leahy Law and International Law, is to cease weapons transfers to Israel for violating human rights and perpetrating crimes against humanity.
Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist, he absolutely supported this genocide, both materially, diplomatically, and ideologically.
It's been an attempted Genocide since before the festival attack ever even happened, but POTUS Joe Biden tried, albeit poorly, to stop it from succeeding. Now, under the new US admin, it is all but absolutely certain to succeed.
He didn't, see the first link after the spoiler that has detailed accounts by human rights organizations and genocide scholars on how it has been an ongoing genocide well under Biden's term. Optics is not action.
"Unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive"?! Are you serious, right now?
More evidence that the world has collective amnesia of the first Trump term, Jarod Kushner was leading a whole team strategizing the Israel single state solution back then.
It's been going on far longer than just the first Trump admin. Each administration has set the stage for the next to continue enabling the Zionist project, some more than others but all nonetheless.
Why America Supports Israel Part 1, Part 2
You know what your arguments need? It needs more links. You should go find more links to post. After all, it's so much easier than actual discourse to constantly paste an index which contains all indexes, right? Just send your enemies a link to an infinite scrolling text.
So sorry sources offend you
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Yeah, I have sources from articles, documentaries, books by historians, and more. I back up my arguments. The hasbara doesn't change, it's the same shitty arguments that weaponize ignorance every damn time.
I've had plenty of actual discourse. There are plenty of trolls I don't bother with when they ignore the source material. For those that are genuinely inquisitive and interested in learn more, I have no issue going into more detail.
I love they complain about needing to read sources when all they have is Biden good
It's ridiculous. The sources directly address what they claim, yet instead of actually reading them, they just complain and deflect. It's so clear they don't actually give a shit about the humanity of the situation, it's just team sports.
When someone takes the time to show me with sources that I've been misinformed on a subject, I take a serious look into the material. I look for other sources to cross reference. If it holds up to scrutiny, I change my opinion, even if it's just nuance. There's no shame in changing one's mind in light of new evidence, everyone is susceptible to misinformation. Choosing to be willfully ignorant on the other hand, is just sad
You can post as many opinions as you like, mate, but Biden's words and actions won't change as a result of them.
Good thing I'm posting direct evidence, not opinions.
And yeah, no shit. Biden is a committed Christian Zionist.