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and you are literally no u-ing me instead of telling me what you mean. why should i bother?
They’re saying no AES matches the description and are asking you to provide an example of a stateless, moneyless, classless society of which I’ve criticised.
You should understand some anarchist theory in that we don’t value socialism as a step and advocate for fully transitioning without the trap of giving all power to a state to oversee the transitionary period.
Oh and if you must know, I’ve grown rather partial to Cuba. They seem to be the least corrupted and genuine in their values. And have actually spoken in defence of them.
100%. This sort of badgering from marxists, demanding anarchists' support for AES states is really counterproductive. I don't think any anarchist worth their salt is gonna simp for authoritarian regimes just because their economies have some socialist characteristics. It's just a bad bad-faith attack on anarchists in general. My support or otherwise isn't based on ideological allegiances, it's based on how well those regimes treat their citizens, and how they actually behave as nation states. And when china eventually gets around to invading taiwan, those same simps are gonna be waving chinese flags instead of calling it out.
You mean to tell me left unity is only for them, and never for us? Unheard of.
Don't bother asking them to understand anarchists, we need to read their theory but they shouldn't ever bother to read our or our history of authoritarian "socialists" crushing us.
Left unity is when we obey them, left unity isn't ever play nice to anarchists.
Pretty much, it’s always in bad faith. They always have a paternalistic view where they’re right and everyone else is ignorant or misguided.
Even the response tries to portray Anarchism as communism instead of understanding that Anarchism is Anarchism. And that if I don’t mind Cuba I should totally just love shitty authoritarian states like the USSR or China. It’s like why bother, at least you can have decent chats with non-ML communists.
If you don't praise the ghost of Stalin for purging all communists and Mao for killing all sparrows, you're a counter revolutionary and must be purged.
i've noticed it as a cyclical pattern of authority. if someone believes in the value of authority, they presume that anyone who doesn't believe in the value of authority simply needs to be shown the value of authority.
meanwhile, those who don't believe in the value of authority see this all as silly nonsense. it's still a concept i'm integrating though 19 years after first seeing it in action so you'll have to forgive me if i'm not yet good at describing it. i'm talking to a sociologist this week to see what she thinks since she saw the same thing from the same terrorist attack we both survived
They believe that if you don't obey them, you must be punished until you obey them. Abusers are fond of it, it's why Tankies like it. They want to be the abusers, not abolish abuse.
oh absolutely. the "value" of authority can only be demonstrated via authority. those of us who don't believe in the value of authority see it as harmful and oppositional to a healthy society.
but i wanted to put it in the words someone i disagree with would understand. if i were to say it i'd use words like abuse, fascism, or terror. however they see this as flippant dismissal of their stance, misconstruing their position. but from my position, their flippant dismissal of my stance is frustrating and problematic.
the ultimate problem, of course, is we are speaking different languages. i have had more success talking people out of their shitty outlooks in life by finding things we agree about, affirming our shared values, learning eachother's languages, and from there explaining our true natures. if people will still not see me for me at that point, i have no desire to interact with them.
the challenge i'm still working on is how to do this without losing my language. it is a risky behavior, but it is the role i have taken in my neighborhood. still, i realized this week that words from my childhood have left me. the pipe attached to a gutter is just a downspout to me now. it's a sad thing, but still. the dishes need washing and the fascists need defeating. i simply must work harder not to lose the song of my valley
both socialism and anarchism are ways to achieve communism. denouncing socialists as "fascist" is counterproductive at best, and actively harmful for the global struggle at worst.
if you've warmed up to what cubans have been able to achieve with socialism, i have great news for you about most of the others. mistakes and course corrections don't make it wholly bad, just like it didn't in cuba.
It mostly depends on where the socialists are, really. If they're a geopolitically blind labor, community, & national interest-centric kind of thing, that's actively evil inside the imperium & a sitting duck outside of it.