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we're just building another platform full of very angry people flooding the platform with their negativity and extremist views, and shouting down anyone who doesn't agree with their angry world view.
if you compare the lemmy and reddit front pages, they increasingly look similar. just lots of pettiness, political anger, and dad-joke level memes. we're also starting to see a core group of power users on fedi who post their agendas and tend to flood out content posed by more casual users.
This is what people want. a year or two ago, lemmy was very different, but as it grows more popular it reflects more populist viewpoints and pushes more bait-content that is entirely about emotional reactions and bias confirmation.
You can't platform or technology away human beings natural propensities for ignorance and rage.
The reason the early internet had less of it was, well, the early internet was much harder to interact with and it was largely text-based, and it was mostly full of positive tech enthusiasts who thought they were going to solve all the world problems with with the internet. Now the internet is dominated by content that is largely pornographic in nature, desired to stimulate the lowest most base desires, and it's predominantly short-form video and image based, which even the dumbest people can understand and relate to, and overwhelmingly rewards negative feedback loops.
This depends upon the communities you follow. And you have the choice to NOT follow them. I only read the communities that I subscribe to (instead of sorting by 'all'), and it is very rare that I encounter the garbage that you're describing.
echo chambering yourself isn't healthy or productive. it just makes you ignorant about what is going on around you.
I am not interested in protecting my feelings and surrounding myself only with people who reflect my own beliefs back at me. I'm interested in diversity and understanding other points of view, even those I disagree with.
for me knowledge is the antidote, not 'positive vibes only'.
If subscribing to one's own interests is an 'echo chamber', then all of us are guilty. If you are going to immerse yourself in 'diversity and understanding' by dunking yourself headfirst into the totality of the human condition without any filters whatsoever....well, you get what you deserve, I guess.
You're standing on a beach with your back to an oncoming tsunami as if your pleasant view is going to last forever.
You know, I think people have many different interests and reasons for why they use social media platforms. Some are just hobbyists and use it for those purposes and thus curate and control a feed that emphasises their interests. Is that bad?
No. But it's bad if they insist and harass other people who don't use the platform the same way they do, or deny/refuse to acknowledge other types of users and problems exist, just because they have curated it out of their experience.
It's not any different than a white person claiming the cops never bother them, so clearly this BLM thing is totally made up nonsense and these silly black people should stop complaining about police profiling and brutality towards black people.
People generally, really really struggle, with the concept that other people are different than them. For whatever reason, they seem to view other people's differences, and difference experiences and concerns, as THREATS to themselves, and respond with hostility, often under the 'let me help you you ignorant fool' guise.
I mean, i block those people frequently, but man they exist in abundance here. Far more so than in my most of my reddit experience, but similar to my reddit experience from 2020-2022 when my post about my cat sitting on my porch got me banned for inciting violence, because outdoor cats are all mass murders and I am also one if I let my cat on my porch.
I don't think this is happening though. I think you're boxing at shadows.
Yeah, if you curate your feed to not see things, you won't think they are happening.
That's the problem with all social media platforms. People self-select into their own little worlds, and think anyone outside of that world is 'boxing at shadows'. Or they convince themselves that they are heroic warriors on a holy war against Microsoft, etc.
Personally, I enjoy the ability to go into other communities and see what is going on there. I prefer to investigate things myself, than rely on hearsay and dwell in ignorance and denial that thinks I don't know about or experience don't exist.
Okay? I mean The Threadiverse isn't necessarily the only place people on here expose themselves to.
You just complained that people complain about how others use the platform, and now you're here right now lecturing on others if they choose to curate their feeds and only follow their subscribed communities.
No. I'm complaining about people complaining at me that I don't curate my feed to be puppies and kittens, and if I don't, therefore I am a bad person.
Because their beef is acknowledging a larger reality they have self-selected out of, and apparently that upsets them very much that someone else acknowledges it.
It's your business if you want to stick your head in the sand, proverbially. But you cross a line when you start attacking other people for not doing the same thing as you, or for them acknowledging.
I'll give you a separate example. On another site I comment on, I told a story about an accident I witnessed where a man killed his dog. This was in context of a social media promotional video with people doing dangerous outdoor activist with dogs because it is 'bad ass'.
Some people acknowledge my concerns... and about half the comments were personal attacks against me telling me how I was a horrible person for sharing such a horrible story and I should go kill myself because I clearly am an animal abuser if I acknowledge that arrogance and ignorance in the outdoors with your dog can lead to injury and death.
Is that something that is happening at scale on here? I've never seen people do this. I've seen users who point out to people complaining about the /all/ feed to curate their content, but that's just advise - not complaining.
It's what's happened in this thread. My initial comment seemed to upset the puppies and kitties hugbox types of users, who don't want to acknowledge what is going on here outside of their hugbox, because for them all they want is the hugbox and they think if you acknowledge other people exist that don't live in their hugbox, you're upsetting them and disturbing their hugbox.
it's a common perspective that is not exclusive to any online space, and it's quite prevalent in real world spaces as well. Three wise monkey approach to life. Personally I'm pro-acknowledging evil exists and happy to talk about it, and don't see this as it's promotion, but rather seeking to understand it. Others feel any acknowledgement of evil is an explicit endorsement of it, and you should create a life that avoids any acknowledgement of it in other to avoid it.
Like I've been in a public space, reading an article about Ukraine, and had someone come up to me and start harassing me about how dare I read that in their presence because my interest in it upsets them because it's 'negative' and they dont' want 'negativity' in their field of view, or something.
You literally criticised a user who said they only follow the communities they subscribe to.
Yeah, because they criticized me for not doing that.
Don't throw a punch if you can't take one back.
"This depends upon the communities you follow. And you have the choice to NOT follow them. I only read the communities that I subscribe to (instead of sorting by ‘all’), and it is very rare that I encounter the garbage that you’re describing."
I wouldn't identify this as criticising you, but addressing your own grievances with how you interact with the site.
I don't have any grievances with how I interact with the site.
My grievances are with users on this site who can't acknowledge other people's uses of it are not the same as their own and who feel they have to attack and bully other people into agreement with them.
Sort of like people who misinterpret my comments and read their own meanings onto my comments, and lecture me about how they know more about what I said that I did and then start arguing with me how wrong and stupid I am.
It's almost as if it's not about my comment at all... but more about their insatiable need to browbeat other people into agreement with themselves because they think disagreement or someone having a different expereince with them is some sort of threat to themselves.
Almost as if they have fragile egos and can't stand for someone else to say things or discuss things that challenge that fragile egoistic experience, because they would have to acknowledge the world exists apart from their tiny little hugbox of thoughts they wish to surround themselves with.
I really don't know where you're getting all these people across the Threadiverse speciifcally berating you for how you use the website. Your top post in this thread was pretty caustic and confrontational and naturally got people's backs up.
No, your interpretation of my comments was that they were confrontation and caustic. That's a you problem, and you might want to ask yourself why it is your emotional response to my comments was that way.
I'm not really surprised, because my comment acknowledges something uncomfortable, and several people here's respond to that discomfort, is to pretend it doesn't exist.
Reminds me of my history day project in high school where I got an A+ from my teachers, but was dragged into the principles office because it made my fellow students 'uncomfortable'. It was about the history and political influence of the KKK and racism in American society... almost as if despite being the truth, it's acknowledgement made people VERY uncomfortable... probably because many of those same students were deeply racist.
I didn't have a strong emotional response as such, just noting the general feedback. It certainly read as incredibly judgemental and sanctimonious to me but I personally didn't feel attacked by it.
Even if the platform is wholly as you describe, people can only really focus on some things. It's perfectly fine for people to just have their own interests and follow them and cultivate them.
Good god man, could you puff your own feathers out even more. The idea that Lemmy is politicised and partisan (or that people on it are partisan) is not some new observation.
Yes, it's fine for people to do their own thing.
However it's not fine for them to throw a shit fit and get pissy that other people's experiences are different than theirs. Or their beliefs and thoughts. Or act like someone else's observations are some sort attack on themselves, which is precisely what people do here.
Like, if you want to take your ball and only play over in your corner great. But don't go out of your corner and be SHOCKED AND UPSET that the rest of the world doesn't act like you think it should or does in your little corner. Stay in your lane if the acknowledgement of negative things is something you can't handle.
more or less. this is precisely why so many people thought Trump would not be elected and were shocked he got elected twice.
they were living in a bubble world totally ignorant of how the other half of their country was living. including most of the media. they also systematically deny the problems in this country that fueled the rise of the alt-right and the expansion of hate-group, again because they live in a cultural bubble where these problems don't exist.
those of us who were paying attention to how other people live, think, and vote, were not at all surprised at his victories.