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[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

I think the thinking was that turning against Israel more publicly would have mostly garnered more entirely worthless votes in states that are already blue and risked losing at risk rust belt states.

If those voters would have been a bit smarter they could have threatened to stay home but actually voted against fascism then continued to petition the incoming regime which unlike Trump isn't actually for genocide. Now there is a good chance for most of those folks you want to save being dead when its possible to reverse course IF its possible to reverse course and we don't have a canceled election and a civil war thereafter.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I think the thinking was that turning against Israel more publicly would have mostly garnered more entirely worthless votes in states that are already blue and risked losing at risk rust belt states

That's just not true though. It would have helped across the board but especially in critical swing states

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The blame is entirely on the campaign for chosing to ignore and even go against those voters instead of make concessions to gain as much votes as possible. They chose to prioritize continuing the genocide over winning against Trump.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And they lost with that strategy. So their thinking was clearly wrong, unless they planned to lose.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's not clear the alternative strategy would have helped AT ALL. A very large portion of Americans actually believed that Trump would either help the economy or help the position of white folks and Christians. Everything else was a side show. That is why they elected him. Things were going pretty good economically before the pandemic and white Christians. That is why we elected essentially Hitler because we are stupid bigots.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

If Harris had acknowledging the genocide about 2 weeks before the election would have won over youth, the left, and muslims, which is a vastly larger voting group than the 80% of jewish people who support israel-- or even all jewish voters. Jewish voters are a tiny group-- even just muslim voters are a larger group. Jewish voters arent a compelling voter group, they are a compelling funding group.

But two weeks before the election Harris could have weathered the funding downturn. Her husband would have left her, but no great loss there. Harris could have won.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago

They were actually for genocide. That's why they partook in an ongoing genocide for over a year. Your entire premise is wrong.