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Fuck Claude
Dumb question, but...is Claude worse than GPT or Gemini?
I was under the impression that it was the lesser of evils
I just started with Claude and I can’t yet distinguish when it has actually done something it says it has done. With ChatGPT I can see through the bullshit quite well by now. At first I was happy when I thought Claude was rid of that bullshit, but turns out it’s just a different type of bullshit.
The UI and file handling is better in Claude though, and supposedly you can make it create skills which are like instruction booklets on how to do some tasks and then export and share them. But the ones I created were lost during the weekend so I’m not sure how robust they actually are.
They are the lesser of the available evils. Anthropic, the proprietors of Claude, were blacklisted by the US administration for refusing to greenlight their technology being used for fascism.
Anthropic's AI system was used to target the school in Minab, killing 120 students. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/03/11/us-strike-iran-elementary-school-ai-target-list/
The company is suing to be able to supply the US military again.
Maven is doing the targeting, not Claude.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blame-for-the-iran-school-bombing-the-truth-is-far-more-worrying
Also the WaPo is now Bezos' news.
And Maven used Anthropic's AI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven
Yes, but not for targeting, as explained in the article I linked.
Anthropic's AI did data analysis for Project Maven, which was a system that used data analyzed by various sources to target a school. So the AI is part of the "kill-chain" no?
I suggest you read the article.
Yes. I never said it was an LLM. It was probably some custom AI system made by Anthropic.
Are we agreed that some Anthropic AI system (not necessarily the Claude LLM) was in the kill chain? That was what I was trying to say from the beginning.
Well you'll need to source your claim. The wiki article you linked only mention Claude.
The Anthropic contract is also quite recent compared to Maven creation.
My sources are already linked in my two earlier comments. What about them are you disputing?
I don't see how the recency matters. That Anthropic was not involved in bombings conducted by the US military in previous years does not absolve them of their involvement in the bombing of the school in Minab.
They only mention Claude, where is the source that "some custom AI system made by Anthropic", not a LLM, "was in the kill chain"?
I mean, I get that you want to tie Anthropic to this, I don't like them either but we should stay factual and avoid filling the gaps with some "probably". It's also counterproductive as Maven and Palantir are huge menaces and this shift the blame away from them.
You're the one saying it's not the Claude LLM doing the targeting. Your source is that Guardian article you linked.
I don't care if it's an LLM or some other thing made by Anthropic. Anthropic is involved in this. All the sources in this conversation so far indicate so. Or are you trying to argue that they are just supplying Palantir and Project Maven for wholly innocent purposes?
Pointing out Anthropic's involvement in the killing of 120 students does not in any way shift blame away from Palantir and Maven. Of course there are information gaps regarding how exactly the AI was involved. No remotely competent military would make all these information public.
I'm just saying that, as far as we know, the Anthropic contract is about Claude and the targeting is not made by a LLM.
Okay fair enough.
Since Maven's entire business is data analysis and targeting, can we agree that if the AI is not being used for targeting, it is being used to analyze data? And those analyzed data get fed into the targeting system, so the AI is part of the kill chain?
What kind of data is being analyzed by AI? How much of it feed into the targeting system? I concede that I don't know and have no source. The US military would have to be really stupid to make these info public.
There is nothing that indicates that Anthropic's AI is used to analyze data, I'm not saying it's not, just that we don't know. I'm going to quote a smaller section of a quote I made earlier of the same Guardian article:
But the term AI is an issue here, there are multiple, of different kind, made by different companies. There is AI used for targeting, no doubt, but it's not Claude, it's Maven and some other subcomponents. The fact that Anthropic joined the project late, after it was already operational, is a good hint that they do not bring a core feature, but that's only speculation.
Okay. I guess we at least agree on the facts.
You are giving the company a huge amount of benefit of doubt and I don't understand why. May I ask: If it was Elon Musk's xAI/Grok rather than Anthropic, would your thoughts on this change? How about if it was Yandex making the AI and the school was in Ukraine?
It wouldn't change anything and I'm confused as to why you think it would and why you think I'm "giving a huge amount of benefit of doubt".
I'm just pointing at what we know, what we don't know and what you are just making up.
Facts:
My conclusion: Anthropic's AI is in the US military's kill chain which killed 120 children.
Your conclusion: The LLM did not directly target the school. We don't know how it was used. It was also not there from the beginning so probably not probably part of the "core system."
That's not my conclusion, that's just mostly coming from the Guardian article. I say mostly because you're missing one part, we know how the LLM is used.
That's why I'm asking you to source your "conclusion".
That's one way to spin it.
My take on it is that it was used inappropriately, and when the fascists wanted it tailored for that abhorrent use, Anthropic refused, and in retaliation the fascists banned it for ANY use, so now Anthropic is suing to allow the sane to continue using it for it's appropriate uses.
What sane use? And how does this company plan to prevent the fascists from using it to kill another 120 children?
The only not-evil move is to not sell dual-use goods to fascists in the first place.
You seriously can't think of any sane use? How about categorizing large amounts of data. Brainstorming strategies for problem solving. Converting pseudo code to actual code. Troubleshooting error messages. I mean, there are dozens upon dozens of valid uses that harm no one.
How does Bic plan to prevent murderers from stabbing people with their pens? How does Toyota plan to stop drivers from committing vehicular manslaughter? How does Hewlett-Packard plan on preventing fascists from saving manifestos? How does Apple plan on preventing sexual criminals from taking pictures of their victims?
What's that? Companies don't need to accomplish impossible tasks to have a viable product? I guess it's only AI that has insurmountable demands placed on them by reactionaries.
The only not-evil move is to sit in a cave using sticks, once the trees figure out how to keep cavemen from beating their children with them.
I wasn't clear. What I meant was: what sane things could a fascist military use AI for?
"Reactionary" lmao. My friend, I use LLMs all the time. Just not the proprietary ones from companies that are in bed with fascists.
Your problem is clearly with the fascists, as it should be, and AI is getting caught in the crossfire by your ire. You just can't see/admit it yet.
Unless you live in a cave, which you obviously don't since you're here on the Internet sharing your wisdom with us, then you are participating in business and activities that enrich the fascists. It's just a fact of life when they own everything. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
I have nothing against AI but everything against a certain AI company that is fully in bed with fascists.
Please do not use this slogan as an excuse to not sought out the least unethical option for your consumptions.
Are you talking about Google? Apple? Meta? Twitter? Microsoft? OpenAI?
You can't be talking about the one company that was banned by the fascist government for not complying with their demands, because a company fully in bed with fascists would not be banned for refusing to comply. Yet, it seems in your confusion that is exactly what you're implying.
I don't, and that would be Anthropic's Claude. I don't know about you, but I don't have the hardware for a local LLM at the speed or proficiency they offer. Maybe you're so fortunate, and are judging the choices of the less fortunate for not passing your purity test?
You must be American. I am talking about Kimi, Mistral, GLM, Liquid, Minimax, Arcee, Qwen, Deepseek, Xiaomi.
And you are of course allowed to use cloud inference if you don't have the hardware to run locally. Just choose an inference service that is not in bed with fascists. There are plenty. Good luck and have a nice day.
Claude is almost always the better model compared to GPT. I find that this is a good leaderboard. However, both Claude and GPT have similar business models: make sure everything they do is completely proprietary, and keep everything behind a monthly paywall. They both run massive data centers to train their models, and neither really deserves the term "Artificial Intelligence".
There are many less evils. Use open source/weight AI like Kimi, GLM, Deepseek, Mistral, Olmo, Arcee, Minimax, Qwen, Exaone, NVidia, Sarvam...
If you don't have the hardware to run locally, you can pay for API. If you find the company problematic for whatever reason, you can switch to the same model served by a third party (possible because the model weights are publicly released).
Other than wanting a verbose answer to a question, what is it for?
For me I just use it to get verbose answers to questions.
I use open-weight LLM over search engines when I can, because Google/Bing/Yandex are complete proprietary black boxes run by corporations of questionable morality.
Or you could just not use LLMs. Fuck AI.
In what manner? Capabilities, or belonging to an evil corporation that happily steals data and works to undermine democracy?
It is better than GPT and Gemini but not great. Claude some US military contracts. At least to public knowledge.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/04/pentagon-blacklist-anthropic-defense-tech-claude.html
less of the evils. That being said as far as quality goes Claude has taken a very noticeable decline in quality within the past several months. used to be half decent but now 8 to 9 times out of 10 you're going to get an hallucination for a solution. Anthropic has REALLY dropped the ball with Claude and Claude code. absolute garbage LLM now.
This could be user error, to some degree.