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Me, seeing what they did to the steam controller:
WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MAH BOY?!
Holy fuck that controller looks oversized and awkward. I get what they're going for, but fuck that looks like it would be a pin in the ass (wrist) to hold onto and to effectively use the face buttons, thumb sticks and touch pads without hitting something else.
I'm gonna stick with my gen1 controller for a good bit, at least until there are a good amount of user reviews.
i think it's exactly the same size and layout as the steam deck, no? that thing is hella comfortable to hold.
Similar, but not the same. I had to double check against my deck, but the touch pads look noticeably larger, and the orientations are different, but that could be for the different ergonomics of the contriller.
Like I said, I'm gonna wait for reviews cuz it could be good, and valve has a good track record and I might have been reacting to some small handed model showing it off, idk. Just from the image it looks kinda bulky and awkward as a controller, but I'll be happy to be wrong.
The touchpads are indeed slightly larger at 34.5mm versus the Deck's 32.5mm. The whole grip angle and triangle of buttons-sticks-pads is rotated from the Steam Deck slightly because your hands will be closer together, so the angle from your shoulders changes. One review mentioned that they wished Valve had actually gone a bit more extreme with the angle, but that didn't seem to be a common opinion.
Reviews are already out. At least reviewer reviews. The touchpads are slightly bigger.
could be that the touch pads are the same size and everything else is smaller.
there are a lot of reviews already and most of them seem disappointed. which is weird because the price seems te be the main sticking point.
Damn, I just found out about the controller today, I didn't realize it was already going out. I'll have to check out the reviews when I have a bit of time, but I may be holding out on my gen1 for a good while.
Here's hoping the console/VR products they've got coming are more impressive.
I think "most of them seem disappointed" doesn't really capture the overall sentiment, but definitely check some video reviews and decide for yourself.
i'm probably still gonna get one or two of these, because i want to play on a bigger screen with deck-like controls.
it's been known for many years now that the new controller would have basically nothing to do with the old one. it had too many compromises.
There's been reviews out all week
Have you held a steamdeck before? This looks very similar while just narrowr and lighter. And the steamdeck feels very good to hold.
I have a deck, and I would argue that it isn't comfortable to hold for super long. I'd play it a lot more if my wrists didn't ache after a 20-30 minute session.
The steam deck is like a foot wide so the vertical grips are comfortable with that. The vertical grips of the controller that’s 5”(?) wide doesn’t seem as great.
I'm pretty sure multiple Valve employees held many iterations before finalizing this. No controller fits every hand though and that's okay.
I love the look personally, but I've seen people call the Steam Deck ugly, and I don't understand that either.
In any case, I have the original Steam Controller, Deck, Index headset, and Index controllers, and all have amazing ergonomics. All the video reviewers I trust to not shill for Valve have had minor complaints at worst too.
Anyone you recommend? I have the OG controller and a deck, so I'm not against the design, it just doesn't look good to me on first look. But, like I said in another comment, it could just be a small hand model, or maybe even a bad angle
Gamers Nexus is pretty much always good and has both review and teardown videos.
I also trust Skill Up's video due to him covering a lot of the features relevant to Steam Input that most other reviews missed. You can really tell when a reviewer hasn't done much experimenting with the gyro or configuring in general. You'll also see what the controller looks like in very large hands. Lol.
I watched probably about twenty reviews and commentaries, and the rest just kind of blend together in saying most of the same stuff.
Genuine question: Do you prefer smaller sized mice?
... You may just actually have small hands.
For reference I'm 7.5 inches from thumbpad/root to index finger, arguably on the cusp between how mice are often sized as small vs medium... and I can handle the chonker that is the Steam Deck just fine.
Funny enough, no. I have an LG G502 and I run it with the heaviest weights it came with (though, it's still a lot lighter than the g5 was), but the weight of the deck is what ends up getting me. My wrists are usually what stops my sessions in the deck, but regular mouse usage is fine.
Huh.
Get a grip trainer?
Not sure how grip training improves wrists, but I already have a number of wrist specific exercises I do semi-regularly to help with the issue.
Indirectly. It helps keep all the associated muscles in good shape. Kind of like not skipping leg day, or not skipping core day. Doesn't matter how buff your biceps are if that's all that's built.
That being said, you may well already be doing a superb set of wrist and hand exercises, the explanation isn't directed at what you are or aren't doing, just talking about the usefulness of grip strength improvement. 9/10, if you're already doing specific exercises, you're also likely doing stuff that fills the same role.