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Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union...

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Because that's Marcist-lenisim?

Stalin named it, and he's the one that set the definition of what that means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism

They don't call it "Stalinism" because that's way harder to defend.

The ones you see online don't even understand it, it literally requires supporting the left most party, but I've never seen a .ml account actually pushing for change thru the two party system, despite that literally being the first step:

Marxism–Leninism holds that a two-stage communist revolution is needed to replace capitalism. A vanguard party, organized through democratic centralism, would seize power on behalf of the proletariat and establish a one-party communist state. The state would control the means of production, suppress opposition, counter-revolution, and the bourgeoisie, and promote Soviet collectivism, to pave the way for an eventual communist society that would be classless and stateless.[12]

Most people online that say they're "ML" don't understand anything about it. They "learned" all they know from unsourced shitposts.

Which is crazy, because this is the closest actual ML has ever come, after trump the Dems are most likely to gain so many seats, it'll effectively be a one party government starting 2029.

If we get a progressive Dem that will name a progressive DNC chair after becoming president, we're fucking there. A one party government that's genuinely for the proletariat.

Any that claims to actually be ML and isn't pushing for the DNC as hard as possible right now is lying about their self professed label, or never understood what it meant

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The DNC is incapable of being a communist vanguard, the purpose of a vanguard party is to build up a reliable cadre of disciplined communists that can bring the working class struggle under one banner for the purposes of revolution. The idea that a liberal party dominated by capital could be confused for a vanguard is genuinely baffling, and the fact that you think Marxist-Leninists organizing in parties actually attempting to become a vanguard like PSL is baffling. I've never seen someone so confidently incorrect about Marxism-Leninism.

Lenin's central thesis to the vanguard model is written plainly in What is to be Done?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

God, the "actually, Lenin would have voted blue no matter who" takes are the most compelling evidence of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" I've ever seen.

Lenin supported participation in bourgeois electoralism in a communist party, while also being extremely, constantly critical of social democratic reformists. The Democrats having one good election is not going to cause "the proletariat to seize power and establish a one-party communist state" unless you've been watching too much OAN.

You must not sink to the level of the masses, to the level of the backward strata of the class. That is incontestable. You must tell them the bitter truth. You are in duty bound to call their bourgeois-democratic and parliamentary prejudices what they are—prejudices.

Whilst you lack the strength to do away with bourgeois parliaments and every other type of reactionary institution, you must work within them because it is there that you will still find workers who are duped by the priests and stultified by the conditions of rural life; otherwise you risk turning into nothing but windbags.

The conclusion which follows from this is absolutely incontrovertible: it has been proved that, far from causing harm to the revolutionary proletariat, participation in a bourgeois-democratic parliament, even a few weeks before the victory of a Soviet republic and even after such a victory, actually helps that proletariat to prove to the backward masses why such parliaments deserve to be done away with; it facilitates their successful dissolution, and helps to make bourgeois parliamentarianism “politically obsolete”.

Lenin's reason for participating in bourgeois electoralism was specifically to reach people who believed it was an adequate solution in order to persuade them to engage in mass action and outright revolution. This "Lenin was a reformist, actually" line is complete and total nonsense.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

God, the “actually, Lenin would

I think your confusion is you think Lenin had any say what so ever in what Stalin called "Marxism-Lenism"

Which is a pretty foundational misunderstanding coming from a literal .ml account

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

Stalin did not distort Marx or Lenin, he synthesized what Marx and Lenin theorized and practiced into a unified ideology and term. The reason it isn't called "Stalinism" is because compared to Marx and Lenin, Stalin's new contributions to Marxism-Leninism are like a puddle to their oceans, a tree to their forests.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Dear God, where did you even pick up these brainworms?

Yes, I'm well aware that Stalin coined the term "Marxism-Leninism." That doesn't in any way mean that Lenin "had nothing to do with" the ideology, since his writings formed the basis of it.

But let me get this straight: is your argument then that Stalin would've "voted blue no matter who?"

[–] mitram@sopuli.xyz 22 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Disclaimer I'm not from the states.

Believing the Democratic Party will in anyway abolish or even threaten capitalism is laughable. Even the most "left" (I don't like the left/right axis) politicians in America are at most social-democrats and are more likely to actually enact social liberal policies. The democrats will never pose an actual threat to capitalism.

The republicans are much more enamored with the status quo, but the democrats won't resolve the structural contradictions the USA (and the west) faces.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Believing the Democratic Party will in anyway abolish or even threaten capitalism is laughable

I'm not talking about "the party" I'm talking about the DNC...

And the DNC is basically a dictatorship run under the chair, for four years they're accountable to no one and for a long string of chairs that's worked out horribly.

When a Dem becomes president, they name a DNC chair. Meaning the last one was obvious a neoliberal appointed by Biden and thats why they didn't let us have a primary.

Right now the DNC chair is legitimately nonbiased. They won't say shit till after the primary, and support everyone equally that goes to a general.

That means, ML should be pushing really really hard for a progressive Dem in the presidential primary, one who they believe will appoint someone explicitly progressive as chair.

Like, if you think the literal first step in ML invalidated the whole thing...

I'm just explaining what their plan is, go to .ml and tell them that you believe their entire plan is fundamentally flawed and if they agree, ask them why they still say they're ML.