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European leaders say President Donald Trump's decision to pull thousands of U.S. troops out of Germany came as a surprise but is further proof that they must take care of their own security.

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[–] panthera_@lemmy.today -5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, Europe must go it alone. It should negotiate with Putin regarding Ukraine. It should get together with Russia and China and negotiate with Iran.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

there is no negotiating with Putin

Europe has been trying that since 2014

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No, the negotiation is between Trump and Putin. Europe should be involved. Trump should not be trusted because events in Ukraine affects Europe more than the US.

This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn't accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 minutes ago

Europe has been attempting to negotiate with Putin before Trump ever entered the picture.

And the negotiations between Trump and Putin are just theatrics, nothing more.

Your proposal seems like a reasonable starting point on the face of it. But is unrealistic for several reasons.

The UK and France don't have the political capital to threaten war on Russia. RN and Reform would likely dramatically surge in popularity.

Also Putin is obsessed with Novorossyia at a minimum and would interpret the threats of entry into the war as a bluff and try and call it.

And there are a lot of boomers still in charge who can't accept that the Europe-US alliance has become transactional and thus unreliable.