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European leaders say President Donald Trump's decision to pull thousands of U.S. troops out of Germany came as a surprise but is further proof that they must take care of their own security.

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[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 hours ago

It's the usual argument I guess.

EU: we'll do our own defense

USA: about time! Lazy bums!

EU: with our own weapons and we'll diversify trade for less risk

USA: how dare you! Our industry!

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today -2 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Yes, Europe must go it alone. It should negotiate with Putin regarding Ukraine. It should get together with Russia and China and negotiate with Iran.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 3 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

there is no negotiating with Putin

Europe has been trying that since 2014

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 points 31 minutes ago

No, the negotiation is between Trump and Putin. Europe should be involved. Trump should not be trusted because events in Ukraine affects Europe more than the US.

This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn't accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.