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Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union...

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

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[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think you and I both dislike imperialism. What does sensible anti imperialism look like to you?

[–] socsa@piefed.social 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The same thing that anti fuedalism and anti monarchy looks like. Building a better system in the face of global opposition to the movement. The Soviet Union failed miserably at this, so defending that system is absurd. China is doing better, but needs to demonstrate that it can escape its authoritarian past, and also not fall into its own cycle of imperialism.

I personally do believe China can do this, and it will take some time, like it took some time for the US to and Europe to converge on liberal democracy. However I think China needs to face some uncomfortable truths on the journey. Xi is a step backwards from Hu and Deng. But Nixon was step backwards from Kennedy. Trump is a huge fucking step backwards from Obama. They'll get there, no matter what the US does, in the same way liberalism got there despite the last throws of monarchy standing against it.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

China is doing better, but needs to demonstrate that it can escape its authoritarian past, and also not fall into its own cycle of imperialism.

I think if Mao or Lenin were to take a look at today's China, they would not call it "alternative system to capitalism" (or socialist or communist for that matter):

https://spectrejournal.com/one-should-not-camouflage-capitalist-and-imperialist-china-as-socialist/

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

The socialist market economy in China is based on the NEP and is built on foundations laid by Mao.