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[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 286 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Now it's an international matter of national security. Let's go world, time to de-americanize your tech.

[–] Drewmeister@lemmy.world 126 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yes, but, from the article: ”GrapheneOS also says governments and banks are increasingly adopting these verification systems for things like payments, digital ID apps, and age verification services.

“Instead of governments stopping Apple and Google from engaging in egregiously anti-competitive behavior, they’re directly participating in locking out competition via their own services,” Graphene said."

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

alot of countries have fully bought into the surveillance thing, UK is planning to give NHS full acces to its patient database to PALANTIR.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Exactly, it's not only about fighting Google, it's also about setting a better, more open standard for the rest of the market.

Recently my bank has rolled out a new mobile app now relying on Google wallet for NFC payment. I was able to use NFC payment on GrapheneOS on the old app, I can't on the new one. The online banking stuff still works (for now) but no more mobile payment for me. I didn't sign a fucking contract with Google, why would I hand over my payment data to them !

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

You need to call your bank and the media. Word has to get out.

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 4 points 1 day ago

My bank hands out these weird little plastic cards like it's 2016 or something.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, a bank is a bank, they are all very similar. Unless you have an extremely good interest rate on it, I would just close the account and go elsewhere. Make sure to tell them on the way out that's why.

Alternatively you can just transfer funds to another app and keep using their bank and use the other account as the NFC payment one but, that's too complicated for my tastes.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How would I know which bank to go too ? It's comes down to the details of how they implement their phone app. I don't think you would find this information anywhere.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, I know a lot of people don't like doing it anymore but calling and asking has a fairly decent chance of working if online gives no details.

Personally I'm unsure how a bank could even force NFC to go through a specific provider, mine has always just issued virtual card numbers whenever I enrolled, And if the bank itself didn't support the provider automatically, I always called the bank to manually approve getting the virtual number. it's a little confusing to me that your bank even blocks the ability to in the first place. I would have thought you would have been able to use any mobile wallet that works on Graphene OS. Being said those are limited last I knew

edit: rereading it. I see what you mean. You mean through your bank's app as a native solution. Yeah, you're just gonna have to call the banks for that one. I would assume that customer service would definitely know whether or not it's through Google Pay or through their own system.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Yep, my own government (UK), have rolled out a digital ID app that only works with Play Services intact, so I had to jump through hoops to prove my ID so I could renew my driving licence. It's bullshit.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yup, unless we decouple the incentives behind these all our systems and products the end result will always be: Hey Everyone, meet the new boss! Same as the old boss!

[–] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 1 day ago

Here's a list I had compiled of non Google/Apple alternatives.

  • Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
    • Fairphone (Netherlands)
    • Hiroh (USA)
    • SHIFTphone (Germany)
    • Teracube (USA)
  • Punkt MC03 (Switzerland)
  • Volla (Germany) with Volla OS or Ubuntu Touch (Germany)
  • Jolla (Finland) with Sailfish OS (Finland)
  • Furilabs (China) with FuriOS (pronounced "furious") based on Debian with Phosh UI.
  • Purism Librem (USA, manufactured in the USA)
  • Pine64 (China) Pinephone with Manjaro (Germany), postmarketOS (?) or Mobian (USA)

https://jlai.lu/post/37072765/20908909

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

I just made the switch to Graphene a few days ago and I found it fitting that my government's digital id app couldn't be installed on my phone anymore. Oh well.

Where do we find another furious person to start the equivalent of SKG, but this time against Apple Google duopoly, to get a hearing before the EU parliament?

The fact that national governments and banks require Apple / Google device attestation in the current geopolitical situation is a damn sabotage.