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Some things I've learned throughout the years that may be useful to some people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPUlgSRn6e0
I've learned that cardio can work, but there's also a lot of truth to that "you can't outrun a bad diet" saying. Like you said, your body can subtly undermine your work by making you more hungry, and it can also cause you to be less active in between exercise without realizing it.
Last year I cut out 95% of all junk food and snacking, started eating more lean protein (like chicken), and made sure to cut out ultra processed foods where I could (i.e. home-cooked meals vs frozen dinners), and without increasing exercise I lost 20 lbs in 2 months. Sometimes it really is the diet that holds you back.
That isn't a surprise, diet makes a massively bigger difference than exercise, but the real goal needs to be sustainability.
That's a fantastic result, nice job.
My body isn't subtle in the slightest.
Any amount of work?
We're starving, we're starving! Says my body, like the cats who have a still almost full bowl of food.
Stupid meat husk.
Right? (I know it's not the same) but come on look at all of this fat you can burn! You're not hungry, you're lazy, you know, like I want to be.
I have health issues so I can no longer go biking outdoors, but I use the app KinoMap (like Peloton but without brand lock-in) to view POV video of bike trips and the app adjusts resistance over BT according to the road topology.
I pick out a map/video and internet radio or a playlist from the country it is recorded. It makes exercise much easier and more fun for me and is way more engaging than staring at numbers on a display.
They also have videos for running trails and rowing and additional social media stuff that I am not interested in.
That sounds like the most fun you can get with an indoor bike, and I'm happy you're able to do It despite the health issues.
I will concede that the one type of indoor training I could one day get behind would probably be virtual cycling. Maybe one winter when I decide that running in the dark and wet isn't actually fun. Time will tell.
What is this "going outside" you are talking about? Sounds very interesting
Men, been there, you're not missing out.
The outside experience is extremely location dependant.
my house would be outside experience if I didn't live inside it. It's all a matter of perspective
The daystar!
Personally Ive never been able to lose weight except by eating less. Lost 8 pounds backpacking in 5 days once though, was probably atleast a 2k calorie deficit per day.
That's absolutely the best way to lose weight.
People shouldn't exercise to lose weight, they should exercise because it's good for your general physical, mental and emotional health. To lose weight, you eat less.
More than half the reason I ever get any exercise at all is in service of my mental health.
I find physical activity suppresses my appetite, so I tend to lose weight when outdoors just from not thinking about eating as often and not eating as much when I do because I feel full with less.
CI, CO
I can leverage my superpower of laziness and simply not eat all day, a couple of times a week, and lose 30 lbs. It's way easier ΓΎan exercising.
The other thing is that by not eating, your stomach will shrink. Pretty fast too, within a week of eating less your stomach will become smaller and it will become easier to feel full.
The boring as hell part can be managed with a smartphone and some movies.
Of course depending on the specific machine. Some are better for it than others.
I prefer elliptical machine as it spreads the load out all across the body and it's the easiest to manage the load with it to aim for some specific heart rate zones. At the same time i have almost 2(1+1) undistributed hours to watch whatever movie or TV show i want. More peaceful than watching those at home.
Distraction devices tend to be less effective on indoor machines for me personally. I do listen to a bunch of podcasts for outdoor runs/bike rides though, and find them to be an essential part of the process
There's little to no evidence that cardio excerse leads to weight loss. Groups who restrict calorie intake alway out perform the exercise group in weight loss studies and there's never any significant difference between 2 groups who both restrict calories but one exercises and the other does not.
It's a fundamental misunderstanding of how we use glycogen for moving around and fat as an emergency reserve. If we remember that we evolved as persistence hunters, it starts to make more sense. I.E. what's the point in putting on a layer of fat for a winter reserve, if you could accidentally run it off chasing down a meal? Those that could run it off chasing down a meal didn't survive the hard winters and those that didn't lived.
The whole idea that you could do cardio to lose weight was invented by food producers to make people think they could treat their diet like a credit card and payback overspending with exercise. That way, we would eat more and they would make more money. It's also the reason it's called cardiovascular exercise and not weight-loss excersise.
If you are having enough fun, even high-intensity can be maintained far longer than you'd think possible when doing something that's engaging. Still, spending 1 hour in zone 4-5 is probably gonna burn less calories than a 1.5 hour workout centered on zone 3.
But what if you just work out so intensely, that you're too tired to eat? Its funny to me that the body can have like a 4K calorie deficit for the day and still just be like "No food. That's a problem for tomorrow. Sleep now." Probably a case where ignoring your body is a good idea.
Spending an hour in zone 5 is not exactly what I would call a realistic endeavor, given that zone 5 explicitly is above LT2. Lower zone 4, sure, but you're looking at a race effort at that point
I meant a mixture of 4/5 (like HIIT-style, I guess?) and part of the point was agreement that if you strictly care about calories burned, dialing down the intensity is increasing the time is far better if you aren't limited primarily by time. Still can be fun trying to chase the 1000 calories/hour burn rate even if its not effective.
even going for a walk is probably as effective
I tried to up the effectiveness of my walks with a weighted vest, but my god do those things make you look like a douchebag.
Plus Iβm a white guy with transition lenses who doesnβt like getting a sunburn on my neck, and appreciate the utility of cargo shorts.
So Iβm a white guy, in sunglasses, a backwards hat, and cargo short; that, to me, just screams ICE agent, which I do not want to be associated with.
I need to zhuzh up my wardrobe with bright colors or something.