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It's not defeatism. Push to win in the primaries, that's how we shift the power. But it only works if they then actually get elected. When you give up and throw away your vote, that's the defeatism.
More gloating that AIPAC buys you candidates you like.
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You know the genocide wing runs the party, and you know they interfere in the primaries, but you're acting like the primaries are honest, which they haven't been in more than a decade.
If you want me to believe you don't like the AIPAC shit we get saddled with, stop acting like the process is equitable.
Of course they're not honest or fair; it's US politics.
I believe there is a big contingent beholden to Isreal, but it's not all of them, and they are stuck with certain rules.
And the key thing here is that ME policy under the Dems is not as bad as under MAGA. I don't want anyone killed in Gaza, but given two choices, I'd like less rather than more. It boggles my mind that you don't seem to agree.
Keep gloating.
Not buying it.
I voted for harris. I don't carry water for her after the election. You do because she's a genocide candidate.
Why so much hate? I dont 'carry water for Harris' after the election. I just strongly believe that progressively inclined people need to vote for the more progressive party and not discourage others from doing so. Its simple logic, and you seem to actually agree since you voted for Harris. I'm not accusing you of being a genocide supporter because you voted Harris because I understand the logic. Why do you hate on me for supporting her for the exact same reason?
There's no such thing as throwing away your vote, if the person the party puts forwards doesn't represent you then you select someone who does. It's not my job to vote democrats into power no matter what, it's their job to put forward a candidate that supports me to EARN my vote. And with what they did to Bernie in 2016, they won't let someone with a sniff of progressive political discourse run as the nominee.
You can vote how you want. But in the two party system we effectively have in the US, not voting dem only makes sense if you really have no preferences between maga and dem. (Ie your ok with pedophiles running the country, destroying alliances, etc etc) And so if maga wins, unless you voted dem, you have not done what you could to stop them. So you are responsible for them winning and getting into power and all their policies. It sucks, but it's how it is. The key is understanding how although not perfect (possibly even bad), the dems are better than maga. Chose whatever you want - maga or dem.
I thought I didn't matter and shouldn't be involved in political discussions? You're sure putting a lot of effort to try and convince someone you said doesn't matter.
Democrats are not better, you believe they're better because you believe in a binary that there are only two choices.
Whether it's a binary option or not, is actually irrelevant to whether one thing is better than another. That's simple logic. A can be better than B even if C is better than both A and C. But in this case, it is a binary option. Unfortunately that's how the U.S. system works. Changing it would require a revolution, and I'm told Americans don't have time for that or even to participate in significant demonstrations, except on the occasional weekend.
But it seems that logical opinions aren't allowed on this sub as my comments are getting deleted. How sad; another sub trying its best to destroy Lemmy.
Because the left have been beaten so much by your precious and "better" Democrats that they no longer play your games. Again, great job showing your true colors as well and having a crash out over someone disagreeing with you that I shouldn't be able to vote at all. That's not very "liberal" at all.