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Mount Everest is a fake ass accomplishment for rich people anyway. You don’t carry all your shit, there are lines to the peak, garbage everywhere, it’s basically Times Square for CEOs who want to market themselves as ‘adventurers’. Slightly more death involved each year, but that has more to do with the weather than how Tough someone is.
They have luxury expeditions with private chefs, hot tubs and massages. Kinda misses the point in my opinion.
For those interested, hers is a video on the subject I recently watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imHXyoquZyA
Makes me think about how rich people apparently ruined Burning Man
Holy fuck. If you're a first time climber, you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying? That's insane.
Playing Russian roulette would be a lot cheaper.
We were just talking about that in our house. Some people have died waiting in line for a selfie.
And none of them are missed.
Its kind of like the opposite of a guillotine.
Doesn't always work, but when it does, you basically did it to yourself.
The corpse pile problem on Everest has been getting significantly worse for a while now.
... same thing, to a lesser extent, with the Titanic.
Maybe we could make an empathetic argument that there shouldn't be any billionaires: Having that much money makes you so stupid and encourages such risky behavior that really, you should be thanking us for not allowing you to get into a dangerous headspace.
It's a nice after-work walk you might say, nothing to it, just a few spots where you have to take your hands out of your pockets!
Doesn't make it a fake ass accomplishment
You can't just stroll up there still.
I've done up to 6000m, and hoping to do 7000m.
You do rely on sherpas, but it still isn't a day hike either. Even Hillary's team used sherpas to assist
What makes it fake is presenting it as the work of an individual, as those egotistical peak selfies and tedious biographies frequently do. (General) you didn’t make it to the peak, you were helped along by underpaid locals dragging around all the shit that is keeping you alive, who frequently lose their lives in an effort to support their families so some tech bro can get a selfie. It’s a gross way to spend $30k+.
You're being upvoted, but, what experience do you have mountaineering training? Any? Have you even got hiking experience
It feels like you're just saying stuff that simply sounds valid, but is distorted.
Re: point 6, oxygen content of air is usually 21%. Did you mean it's 30% of that normal 21%?
Yeah.. In terms of a percentage of normal o2 percentage I think.. I'm not a medical expert (so, i only know the basics)
https://mtnath.com/altitude/ shows both ways though (and the way I used).
So, I was actually wrong Island peak was approximately 45% percent. Everest is approximately 33% (they were off the top of my head). I just find that calculating this way is easier to understand.
It also goes into AMS, HAPE and HACE, which I actually forgot to mention at all. But basically, you either feel sick with AMS (I saw someone turn 20 years older, and go completely grey at 4500m), your brain can swell in your skull (HACE), or HAPE is when your lungs start filling with fluid.
Money can't buy immunity from these conditions, and, whether anyone helps, doesn't make easier for clients either (in fact, it makes it worse, if the help keeps pushing you). The reason the person I saw turned gray, was precisely because only myself and Sherpas were saying to go down. The rest of the group was encouraging him to push on.
You get how that’s even grosser, right?
‘Don’t speak on behalf of the locals, allow me, who knew two dudes, to do so instead’? No, I think I’ll listen to reporting by the BBC, who talked to people whose livelihoods didn’t depend on telling them what they wanted to hear. Obviously some locals do want to climb, but you are delusional if you believe nobody is doing it for money to support their family.
Everything else you’re saying here is irrelevant, I never said it wasn’t physically challenging. It’s just immoral to climb Everest due to the local exploitation and environmental degradation inherent to climbing it. Outside of the nearly 20 lbs of waste each person creates climbing the mountain (the majority of which doesn’t get removed), there are also deforestation issues from locals over harvesting wood to meet tourist demand.
There is not an amount of explanation that is going to move me beyond those facts.
What's gross at this point, is that watching a bbc documentary doesn't make you a professional lol .You know no dudes, so, I know more dudes than you.
You're not even getting some of the basics right.
At this point you're throwing random things you heard from the documentary at the wall and simply claiming it's relevant. Big shocker, but a documentary is trying to paint a story. The funny thing is that on one of those documentaries, apparently my guide can be heard on the radio telling people to "go back to sleep".
Go do a mountaineering course, and then report back at how little of an accomplishment even 8000m is, let alone an altitude where your body is dying, and you have limited time to summit and return before it does.
It’s clear at this point you’re not able to have an unemotional conversation about it. Your anecdotal experience as someone dropping the cost of a down payment on a house on a vacation to a place with serious, long lasting issues with the tourist trade and talking to two dudes you are paying isn’t the same as a team of journalists investigating. You keep saying documentary for some reason, which is only revealing you didn’t even bother reading the very extensive article I linked. If you’d like to discuss specific points from it you’re going to have to read it. It’s also grasping at straws to pretend using electricity in a city is just like the environmental destruction or human exploitation happening to climb the mountain.
I hope you find less destructive and exploitative hobbies in the future.
Firstly, your link didn't show on my phone.. It changes nothing. Checking it changes nothing
You call people gross all you want to justify your lack of ambition. But, you have no idea what you're talking about (which became clear even before you mentioned deforestation in your desperate attempt to seem credible)
Also, one other fact that people don't realise, is that using oxygen makes it sound like a cakewalk, but its not.
Your breath has water vapour in it that freezes and accumulates. So, you're even competing with your oxygen mask getting frozen shut apparently at high altitude, and have to squeeze it regularly to keep it clean). At 8000m+ you need it, and to sleep at 8000m, you apparently still need some oxygen, or you gag.
Apparently oxygen bottle theft is also common which is another problem
Once you're at 8000m (camp 4), you're basically on your own.. Yes, its a bigger accomplishment to set up camps and carry everything up, but, it doesn't mean that even getting to 7000M isn't a huge achievement (Everest is 8900m).
I am planning to do a 700km walk hopefully within the next year, and, I don't think anyone is going to downplay it simply because I have done food drops (and had others helping with food drops). Well... Maybe some will....
Finally, Norgay Tenzing and Edmund Hillary had a team of 400 people helping them climb Everest. Yes, that took money too. Are you saying that it wasn't an achievement?
And 30k is on the cheap end. I think the average is like 50-60k now. Over 100k if you go with the really high end companies. Its crazy.
Nothing says "fake accomplishment" like claiming to be the first to reach the top of a mountain by relying on the help (read: exploitation) of local people who had presumably been doing it for hundreds of years before you showed up.
Nobody was climbing Everest before then for hundreds of years. Absolutely 0% fucking chance that happened lol.. especially from the Nepalese side (I seriously doubt from tibet either).
The ice fall on the Nepal side is literally moving 1m every day and constantly changes for starters, and by the time you set up the camps, if there was any bad weather, they might not be there when you come back. Glacier travel you have a team of 2-3 people because of things like ice bridges and crevasses too and it would be impossible to summit without ladders. If you were solo and were doing the drops, your oxygen bottles could be stolen too
It can't be done without a large team, just like you can't captain a submarine without a team who built it, and helps maintain it. It is a group effort. Even a job like programming owes credit to a lot of people. Every thing you do does
You do realize that Tenzing was Nepalese too right? He was there with Edmund. Nims purja also had both a small team of climbers who were highly experienced and a much larger team helping. He is Nepalese. Is it exploitation by him too?
So Sherpas just knew exactly how to do it through cultural osmosis?
Ultimate basement dweller comment.
I’d rather someone dwell in a basement than exploit local people, litter, and leave literal piles of bagged human shit in a beautiful place that’s dangerous to clean. The level of entitlement is beyond comprehension.
Exploit local people??? Lol wut
This has been a long standing issue with Mt. Everest, here’s a recent article that does a deeper dive into it: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250530-the-everest-climbs-putting-sherpas-in-danger
Have you literally never heard of Sherpas?
I'm reading this as recursive, and it works