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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 51 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I worked at a place where basically every other department would stand in the lobby at 4:58 PM, waiting for accounting (which was on the other side of the building) to leave. If you didn't wait, the CEO would likely see you from his office window and you'd be getting a "talking to" by your supervisor the next day. I have never before or since worked anywhere where I've seen so much collective time wasting, trying to keep up the appearance of being busy.

This was an American company. I don't miss that shit hole in the slightest.

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 46 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

America has a mentality of "I'm paying you for your time, not the quality of your work." Even if you complete the work assigned to you they will throw a hissy fit if you leave one minute early because that is one minute they are paying you that you arent available if something goes wrong.

It's all ass backwards because it is cheaper in the short term to pay for cheap labor with low reliability and high availability than for expensive labor with high reliability and medium to low availability. If you take the high availability away from the former you are left with nothing.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Which, as a salaried engineer, is the stupidest fucking thing ever, and something I’ve dealt with over the vast majority of my career. You pay me to solve problems, not warm a chair and look over my shoulder. If you give me stupid metrics to hit (coughRTO metricscough), I’m going to maliciously comply and hit them in a stupid way that you won’t like, but that still abides by the rules and regs. If you are the problem, I will solve you.

[–] theolodis@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago

That's what I don't understand about all this RTO. If a company foces me to come to the office 5 days, I might comply, but I will for sure stop working hard when I am on the office, unless I really love what I am doing, and they pay me a shit ton of money.

If a company wastes my time, I'll waste theirs.

[–] ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Doing a good job is also self-defeating.

Managers want to see you grow every year. If you do your best early on in your career, you will hurt your ability to show growth that's visible to management. Therefore, the optimal solution is to do a better job by a barely perceptible amount every year, staying under your maximum quality output until you're retired/dead.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The reward for good work is more work

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 35 minutes ago

Which isn't a bad philosophy if the rewards match. If they don't, why would you do more than the minimum?

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

depends on what you do. I've only seen that when working at a corporate grocery store as a teen. after that I've been surprised how it wasn't that way at all even though I was always told in school it would be that way. every other workplace I've been in (office jobs) has treated everyone like an adult. get your work done and do it well and do what you need to do that. I've been pretty lucky I guess

[–] ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago

You are lucky. Office jobs with stack ranking are rife with backstabbers and politics.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago

This is one reason I hope to never leave my sweet WFH gig