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On May 5th, 1818, Karl Marx, hero of the international proletatiat, was born. His revolution of Socialist theory reverberates throughout the world carries on to this day, in increasing magnitude. Every passing day, he is vindicated. His analysis of Capitalism, development of the theory of Scientific Socialism, and advancements on dialectics to become Dialectical Materialism, have all played a key role in the past century, and have remained ever-more relevant throughout.

He didn't always rock his famous beard, when he was younger he was clean shaven!

Some significant works:

Economic & Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844

The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte

The Civil War in France

Wage Labor & Capital

Wages, Price, and Profit

Critique of the Gotha Programme

Manifesto of the Communist Party (along with Engels)

The Poverty of Philosophy

And, of course, Capital Vol I-III

Interested in Marxism-Leninism, but don't know where to start? Check out my "Read Theory, Darn it!" introductory reading list!

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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The response in the meme is. That is my point. If I would think you guys didn't want to teach, I would argue that given your desire to teach, you should be care to approach something like "capitalism is human nature" more carefully and generously than in the meme as you could change some minds with it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd argue the teaching is in the comments for those who disagree but wish to learn. All good agitprop sparks discussion, not quiet acceptance or dismissal.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are 2 issues.

  1. Memes don't always get shared as a link with a comment section
  2. I could agree that all GOOD agitprop does that, as my point is that it isn't good agitprop.
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a lot of discussion going on here, from what I see.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting response to a point that invalidates the response.

Also you understand that the nature of the discussion in this situation is vastly different to a normal conversation, or a non-ml forum. This forum is a very political, primary ml, environment. You are primarily talking to people who generally agree with you. My critic is about how people who currently don't agree with you, maybe due to ignorance, will experience this meme, or the actions promoted in it. Making it bad agitprop. Unless your aim is to alienate the in-group from the out-group and not to recruit the out-group into the in-group.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I'm actually primarily talking to people that disagree with me, here. If you look at the other comments, most of my time is spent explaining the difference between Capitalism and Commerce.

People like yourself that take issue with it have largely taken to the comments, I've achieved my goal.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

more carefully and generously than in the meme

So we're not doing that up to your standards?

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

That is my critic. Yes, obviously you can feel differently about it. That is how criticism usually works, people having different concerns and expectations.

But as usual with opinions on things based in reality, either I am right about my concerns that it promotes a way of conversation harmful to the cause that It want to promote, or I am wrong. If I am right, then framing it as "up to my standards" is obviously dishonest as yes, it wouldn't be but because it is factually bad. "So capitalism isn't up to your standards.", you would probably say "yes, look at the fucking harm that it does".

Obviously I could be wrong, but that doesn't make the framing any better. Because either you know that I am wrong and you could respond with a proper argument, or you don't know that I am wrong and then you should consider the possibility that I am right and argue the point, instead of dismissing it by framing it as "my standards".

Please look at this conversation and ask yourself if you are engaging in the conversation with the intention to explore what kind of communication is best to promote your ideals, or just to dismiss my point. if it is dismissal, would I be justified to return the dismissal? Is that good for your cause? I think the answer is obvious.