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[–] GiantChickDicks@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I am ready, willing, and able to continue calling you ignorant. I'm not saying that fans aren't to varying degrees. Especially since you seem to be ignoring my broader points. I'm empathizing with the fans and taking into account how we got to this point rather than thinking I'm better than them and laughing at them.

You seem to have a serious empathy deficiency, so I can't explain to you the nuance in that. My broadest point is that rampant capitalism and the elimination of third spaces for community have normalized in most people a pay to participate mindset. And they're not wrong, because for many it's all they've ever experienced. You, personally ,just don't value the same things in the same way they do, and you feel superior for it. Of course that's not every fan in this example, but that's why the global community at large has enjoyed the world cup, Olympics, chess competitions, the space race, etc.

So, yes. I think your class division crap is ignorant.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

Why do you keep pretending that other people don't have the ability to make their own choices?

You completely miss what I am telling you: it wont change unless they know better, and YOU are saying they are robbed of that choice by the consequences of capitalism and its all they have ever known.

I am not disagreeing with you about that point. There is no superiority to knowing that this rabid fandom that perpetuates this situation is not something to be happy about.

Where you get ignorant out of all of that I do not know. You come swinging at me by calling me names, and then tell me I need to have empathy. WTF?