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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I mean yes, sometimes ideological stances require sacrifice if you want them to become reality.

But also nobody is complaining if you do tip 18%, it perpetuates the system still, yes, but at least it doesn't fuck me (the worker), even if it also doesn't fuck my boss. Can't complain about that, you're fine! Though on a personal level you must choose between making the sacrifice and perpetuating the system, at least you're currently perpetuating the system in the right way if you continue to do so, and that is genuinely fine, no shade can really be thrown "even" ("especially" imo) by the idealogues as none of them are willing to sacrifice either but they do perpetuate the system in the worst way possible.

The real complaint is those ones that don't tip and rail against it but also do their part in perpetuating it. Like, pick one.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

A lot of cultures simply don't understand tipping, or wonder why they're not getting better service for it.

I think most of the pushback is because service has consistently gotten worse while tips keep getting consistently forced upwards.

Most restaurants where i live don't even have lower % options than 18% on the machines...but we're only getting 10% level service for it.

Tips aren't for service anymore...that's the issue.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

For sure, but "my culture" might not understand not tipping, yet if I go to Japan it is an insult to tip, and it is me who needs to adjust to their culture, even though it makes me feel like a bad person for not tipping. Same for those who come here, either get with the goddamn program or you're the asshole, regardless of their supposed ideological superiority to the workers nice enough to serve them for literally free due to the visitors' abject lack of decorum. It's just the opposite.

You're not wrong service has gotten worse (after covid shut down many of the good ones, and customers' entitlement keeps pushing the workers' breaking point. Can you tell I used to work foodservice? Lol). Real chicken or the egg on this one IME, the customers being absolute dogshit is literally why I left.

Though, "machines?" Honestly, and I stand by all that shit I just said, if they have "machines" you probably don't need to tip there. Tip at sit down restaurants with servers not machines, delivery drivers, or clearly family run spots you like enough (my taco truck is a prime example). The only people with machines that may need it are baristas at your coffee spot (and the machines almost always have a "custom" slot for you to type in, if not avoid the place), but a counter service spot with a machine that isn't coffee or alcohol? Don't tip. Seriously don't, it'll support changing those jobs to tipped-primarily (and they currently AREN'T, DO NOT!)

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When i say "machines" i mean the debit/credit machines that they hand you when you pay.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 hours ago

Yeah tbh at most of those you don't need to tip, they actually make a livable (debatable, but they make at least $7.25/hr instead of $2.13/hr like servers) wage (depends on state, and that $7.25 is honestly probably low and out of date, but still, back in my day..)

Honestly don't tip at most of those unless they're a local place you want to appreciate above and beyond, or are coffee. If you have doubts you totally can ask how much the job pays, pretend you're looking for one, and then act accordingly based on that info (whatever that'd mean in context).

You're good dude, you already seem to be going above and beyond tbh.