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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 161 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I instantly regret every donation I've made to Wikipedia, and won't be making more in the future.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

I stopped my yearly contribution last year when they felt the need to start guilt tripping their donors into trying to get them to donate more. It put a massive bad taste in my mouth.

[–] RobOplawar@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I had the same instinct, but then I read an argument from a contributor who recommended continuing to support the organization financially while writing privately and publicly in support of the union. Voting with your wallet in this case has a good chance of backfiring, or at least sending the wrong message. The bottom line is taking money away from the organization hurts regular employees more than the leaders. Then again, if you believe the leadership is going to do this no matter what you do, it's understandable not to want to give the organization any support. It would be a terrible thing for this organization to die, but the ones putting it on this path are the leadership.

[–] pageflight@piefed.social 92 points 1 day ago

I think I'll stop my donations. Nothing gets executives' attention like dropping revenue. I read a lot of exec responses to employee dissatisfaction at other big tech companies that basically said 'too bad if a bunch of you are unhappy, the company is doing great so we're right, you can leave.'

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't care if this backfires. My money helps people and union busting is modern day evil against the people.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 22 points 1 day ago

Besides, we have seen it work recently. A bunch of local stations took Kimmel off the air, pressuring Disney to cancel his show. So Disney was about to cancel Kimmel, and instead everybody canceled their Hulu/Disney+ memberships, and a couple of days later, Kimmel was back.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is the same as gamers ranting about cosmetic prices while spending $100 a month on them. It does nothing. The company sees the balance sheets and walks away laughing while your words are ignored. Money talks and words are only worth anything when it threatens their future money streams.

[–] Dookieman12@piefed.social 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It would be a terrible thing for this organization to die

If an organization won't respect the fact that it exists ONLY because of its workers, it would be a great thing if it died and made way for one that will. There are enough backups, we can survive the transition period. I have two, currently; one that gets updated, another from the pre-LLM era.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago

and made way for one that will.

I think that's the problem. Have you seen how hard it can be these days to rally volunteers to a common cause? Even if people were to back up and preserve all the content of Wikipedia, WM Commons, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikidata etc., getting enough of the original contributors on board to found some new organisation without a thousand splinter factions pulling away over some issue or other is a long shot.

And in the meantime, for-profit corporations now bereft of their largest, free competitor would rush to fill the void and try to become the "new Wikipedia" (now with ads, spyware, premium features and blatant corruption, selling control of truth to the highest bidder).

WMF is a behemoth, kept moving through its own momentum. Letting it break in hopes of building something new is a dangerous gamble, unless we can get the successor up and ready to step in beforehand

[–] RobOplawar@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I can't disagree with the points being made in the replies here. It doesn't seem like continuing to give them more money will help the situation, and maybe a funding crunch would be the incentive they need to change course and save the organization. Or maybe it would just accelerate its demise.

I guess I'd rephrase my previous statement to: Wikipedia has been one of the world's greatest free repositories of public knowledge for decades, and it would be a terrible thing for the world to lose that resource. The contributors and employees were always the reason it was such a great resource. If an organization can't exist without exploiting the people that are responsible for its product, then I agree, it should die and make way for something else. But I (perhaps naively) believe that Wikipedia can exist without exploitation, so the present situation is not fundamental to the organization; it's the result of poor leadership. So while I don't want to kill it by withholding funding to send a message, the leadership may kill it anyway by refusing to negotiate with their workers in good faith.

This is yet another case where I can see people in power ruining something I loved, and I don't know what can be done from the outside. From that standpoint, yeah... if Wikipedia is damned if I do and damned if I don't, then it's better to "don't".

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are they working with any kind of union organizer like Tech Workers Coalition? We could donate to them instead.

[–] 4TBHMeCCL@suppo.fi 9 points 1 day ago

They mention in the US they are affiliated with the US branch of Communications Workers of America (CWA). "Separately, the WWU-UK branch has affiliated with United Tech and Allied Workers (UTAW), a national branch of the Communication Workers Union (CWU)." You can see their FAQ for more details.

[–] Blibly@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Maybe we can create a fund that goes towards the employees and divert our contributions there for now. Send a message and support to the ones who want to unionize.