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this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2026
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Ukraine was invaded, and Palestine was invaded so yeah both has the right to defend themselves
What should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing weapons and troops on its border?
That's what Zionists said about Egypt. I they claimed an imminent threaten from the Egyptian army amassing in the borders
When was Egypt both a part of NATO (the most prolific invader in the world), and also attempting to attack Pissrael on its behalf?
I am going to ask again - what should a state do in such a situation?
Egypt was never attempting to attack Israel, but I am just saying they created a fake excuse, having a base doesn't mean there will be an eminent attack. I believe in economical and diplomatic preasure until there is a real eminent threat
And it was never trying to help NATO amass their troops to attack Pissrael.
So, in short, you brought up a completely irrelevant event and keep refusing to answer the original question.
Ah yes, the most prolific invader in the world, while being known for attacking after amassing troops for such attacks, is apparently not likely to do so in this particular case is what you are saying.
What "economical" and "diplomatic" pressure was Russia able to put on NATO without crippling itself?
Again, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world (which Egypt is not) starts amassing weapons and troops on that state's border?
the most prolific invader in the world is the terrorist state of Israel which also have good relation with Russia. It is relevant to say that both used the same excuse to invade . We all know that both consider the people they occupy fake and claim that the perspective identity of Palestinians and Ukrainians do not existing
Why too simplistic:
Palestine got invaded, ethnically cleaned and massively murdered for decades.
Ukraine was cultural a divided country where West and Russia alike used one band or the other to rein power on the entire country. However in 2014 the West overstep the pro-West, pro-Russia alternation with a Coup. Immediately 1/3 of the country got itself completely disfranchised (no vote, no representation, no even could speak its language) and a civil war ensured and then even that 1/3 got without no pensions or services. The sad thing is that the coup was not even needed since Viktor Yanukovych was going to be voted out in just 11 months, but Washington was not having it and needed its coup to put the alternation to an end and be able to make its long-wished constitutional changes to Ukraine . The rest is history.
Russia is not saint here, not at all, but Russia did get invaded and massacred multiple times by the West and every single time through Ukraine... I think if Moscow have a bit if concern it is perfectly warranted. Ukraine should have done what Finland did in 1940s-2010s, side with the West but full warranties to Russia of being fully Neutral and away from NATO.
When Putin keep talking about how Ukraine is a artificial state and keep claiming that Ukrainians are just Russian by mentioning Kyivan Rus , I can't accept his claim that he is invading Ukraine for security reasons. Kyivan Rus was built in the 9th centuries, the ancestors of modern Ukrainians were distinct, indigenous tribes who had already built thriving settlements and founded the city of Kyiv by the 5th century.
Not a Putin fan, but that speech is taken out of context. He was making the point their history is very interlinked, and that it is hard to argue (Northern Ireland is indeniable Ireland, but its history is very related to UK so a compromise was made to maintain peace, can you imagine if Catholics forbid Protestants to vote there?) . Funny enough, most of Ukraine land was acquired/given to Ukraine while it was under some sort of Moscow's dominance. The original Ukraine was just a territorial fraction of what it is today. Ukraine should
Again, in the ideal world, Ukraine should have full autonomy to decide its future, but the Washington and Moscow alike did not like that. I am Ukrainian, would work for a neutrality formula. US does the same with Cuba and Venezuela and US has 0% chances of being invaded by Chine through any of those 2 countries.
What I do notice is the irrational hatred of thinking the other as sub-human... I saw that behavior far, far more in Ukrainians than I did with Russians (at least till 2024).
I watched the whole interview with Tucker , I i don't think it is out to context . I see no other interpretation to saying a country or state is artificial same to how israel call the west bank as Judea and Samaria and claim that Palestinians do not exists to justify what they do