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[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have you traveled around? The foothills have a lot of very rocky slopes and terrain. Terrace farming is extremely expensive and labor intensive. Vineyards are the only crop grown on slopes at scale, and we already have too many grapes.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Them using land is not the only thing they do.

They drink water for example, a kg of cow meat requires 1000L of water. This is not a problem everywhere, but it can be.

They eat grass and there are many places where they have the space and the climate to walk around and eat the grass that is there, but many places they need additional food. Their biggest source of protein is usually soy. Most of that soy comes from south-america: first they burn down a forest to make space, then they plant genetically modified soy. This soy is modified to be resistant to pesticides. They spray the entire plot with these chemicals, so everything dies except the soy. This stuff travels beyond the borders of the farmers land, killing local wildlife and threatening the ecosystem.

Also not all cows are treated well. A cow only gives milk after birth, so each year a cow has to be insimenated and birth a baby cow. A cow can live for decades, but their body is working so hard many won't live over 10 years.

Another problem is that cows are given hormones and antibiotics, residues of which end up in consumer meat.

I'm not writing this because I believe we should go to a 100% plant-based society, but the current system of mass-production is a lose-lose situation for everyone except for the people making a (small) profit.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

cattle are hardly fed any soy at all, but the vast majority of the soy fed to livestock is the industrial waste from pressing soybeans for oil. that's conserving resources.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I dont know how you've come to believe that, but it is not even remotely true. Cows eat parts that humans do not, but what they're fed is not a product that'd otherwise be wasted. Deforestation to feed livestock including cows is a real thing and soy is a big part of that. Feel free to eat as much meat as you want, but the least you can do is not share false information.

graph showing soy use by industry

When someone mentions soy, we often think about foods such as tofu, soy milk, tempeh, or edamame beans. This feeds into the argument that meat and dairy substitutes – such as switching from meat to high-protein tofu or from dairy to soy milk – is in fact worse for the environment. But, only a small percentage of global soy is used for these products. More than three-quarters (77%) of soy is used as feed for livestock.

https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

the treatment of animals is pretty bad in a lot of modern industrial setups. that doesn't mean that all milk products are bad, though. for example, things are very different if you look at italy, compared to the US.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

True and inside those countries there can be big differences as well.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Wow I had no idea. Thanks, I’m vegan now.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Make sure you tell everyone and tell them how they are supposed to live. Make sure to use a lot of fake science.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I already started posting it all over NextDoor. Next I’m going to protest the meat, wool, and egg vendors at farmers market tomorrow.

[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago

You should probably look at bigger groups than literally who, but you've got the right idea!