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Rising Temperatures Are Threatening Italy’s Bank Reserves—Because They’re Made of Parmesan Cheese
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It possibly never have such low emissions as plant based milk production. Regardless, plant production needs nitrogen.
Milk is mostly important in poor countries, since it is a nutritious cheap food.
No data here, but I have the impression that coffee production has a greater impact than milk production.
I barely eat any cheese, but I fail to understand how that matters.
No doubts it's good. I'm asking how good it is and whether it even matters.
Policy changes matter way more than what individuals can do on their own, even if it was the case that people were to get organized and make such changes on mass.
Agreed, but rather than criticizing people for not taking trains it would be better to find a way to make it easier for people to take a train. If you have free public transport which takes you from your house to wherever you need to go you're going to take the train. If the railway is one hour away and the train ride is two hours can you really tell someone not to use their car? I don't have a car because I don't need one, but plenty people do.
The changes you advise on doing are minor nuisances that rich people in rich countries can afford to make. The effect of such changes is minor. I see the good intentions, but this is hypocritical since those same people are the ones who most pollute.
absolutely, i'm mostly talking about people in the west because we pollute way more than poor countries. we should lead the way. i think it would be hypocritical to tell poor countries to do changes on their already struggling life if we pollute the shit out of the planet. that being said, a lot of poor countries are great for growing soy and those cultures already make tofu and drink soy milk
"A single 12 oz black coffee generates about 0.258 kg CO₂e, while a latte’s emissions soar to 0.844 kg CO₂e,"
depends on how much milk you add i guess. i agree though that coffee is definitely a problem, i used to drink a litre of black coffee a day and now i drink 1-2 cups of tea and i might quit that too, since i don't really get any kind of effect from tea, at least i don't really notice it
eating cheese and eating plant based dairy replacements is better than eating cheese and a lot of other dairy products
"Worldwide, dairy cattle contribute to approximately 20 % of livestock greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions and 4 % of total anthropogenic emissions"
agreed. lack of policy doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything though, we should do what we reasonably can and try to get better policies. i personally think this needs a completely different political system so it's not easy
agreed, that's what i advocate for and is exactly why i said "where it makes sense"
i'm very poor (at least in western standards) and i've still implemented some changes. i don't see how it's hypocritical though, we are the ones that really should be making changes in our lives and, of course policy. i thought the policy part was something so obvious that i don't have to mention it
People in the west pollute a lot more, but not because they consume a lot more milk. The reason why they pollute much more is widespread consumerism. Reducing the amount of milk consumption is pretty much ininfluential. Of course, don't buy milk just to throw it away.
If you want to do that, fine by me: I appreciate the effort. But don't fool yourself not drinking milk is making any kind of difference; even if that was a practice which became widespread across your whole nation.
I don't know if you're American. I had people in America telling me they were very poor because they had to rent a full house and couldn't buy one and were forced to cook at home a couple times a week because they did not earn enough to go to restaurant every day. I come from Europe and I'm in no way poor, but while they described me their lifestyle I was thinking they lived the same way as a doctor would in my country.
like i said, it's a part of the big picture.
like i said, by itself it's not. combined with other things, it is.
i'm from finland, i live on minimum benefits and rent a tiny 22.5 sqm apartment in the suburbs.
i cook pretty much everything myself, but sometimes buy cheap ready meals if i don't have the energy to cook. i only buy off brand food and from the cheapest grocery store. don't have a car, i walk to the grocery store and take a bus everywhere else. i get fast food and maybe a bar of chocolate or a bag of chips max once a week so i guess there's that, but i wouldn't say that makes me middle class lol. i haven't bought new clothes in like over 1.5 years and wear clothes that don't really fit me so i cover up with a hoodie.
Nice chat.
And yes, that's more or less what I'd consider middle class; on the lower end of it.
My life is not so different, except I have a full time job and can not afford to rent a full apartment on my own.
One advice I can give for clothes: get a sewing machine or lend one from a friend. I used to buy large 1€ shirts and pants from road markets and just fit them to my size, don't know about Finland; around here you find quite nice clothes thrown besides trash bins.
I have friends I'd consider poor, even though to be fair around here it's pretty difficult to find someone who is actually poor.
One of them has a campment set up in the woods 20 minutes from the city center. Clothes are readily available in the trash, food is plentiful even without money. He only needs money for wine and tobacco pretty much.
that's absolutely ridiculous, i literally live below the poverty line
I do not mean to insult and I do not want to say that is an ideal situation. By all means I hope you can improve it.
I would not consider that as being poor due to how I interpret what poverty is: you still have money left after you cover for your life expenses.
You live on benefits, thus I imagine you have free time; that is quite a luxury. You have an apartment where you live alone, where I live that's quite uncommon even for people who held a decent job for decades.
Sure: those people are not below the poverty line, yet they can afford less than you do.
But I mean, we're not here in a competition as to who is more wrecked, luckily this is a good life.
that's your own definition, not what the actual definition is. and i have money left over because i don't buy new clothes and wear clothes that are multiple sizes too small under a worn hoodie
ah yes, the luxury of being laying in bed pretty much the entire of my existence because i have basically no energy to get out of bed due to my physical and mental health
it's more of a shoebox than an apartment (22.5sqm), living in this small of an apartment is worse than living with at least mediocre roommates. in finland due to how the benefit system works and how the culture is, it's near impossible to find shared flats though if you're not a student so i just have my own tiny apartment
yes, but this isn't an excuse to dismiss peoples' struggles just because you don't personally consider them struggling enough
speak for yourself, i hate not being able to participate in basically anything because i'm basically bedridden. i hate not having almost any money and having to spend it all because the welfare system wont let me save my money. my life fucking sucks having many mental and physical problems and having to live an undignified life looking like a hobo that does drugs cus i can't work even part-time