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Why are they so obsessed with making sure the homeless don't get a basic, involuntary need? Like just shoot them if you are going to be this cruel, and you are going to kill them anyway.
The cruelty is the point. They'll say a homeless person doesn't deserve a fee hundred bucks a month to get back on their feet, but they'll spend 100 grand a year per person to make them more miserable. It's just good job security (and satisfaction) for the police unions.
They spend YOUR money too, possibly making you homeless in the process.
Yeah, they're just fucking plain sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissistic, egolatrical and evil.
Cruelty is definitely a big part of it but also NIMBYism. If we don't see the homeless people, we don't have to think about them and try to find solutions.
Capitalism requires there to be a threat of what happens if you "don't work hard enough" or don't play ball with those in power. Nevermind that most homeless people aren't that way due to laziness or anything they did wrong, just unlucky situations or medical debt or being laid off at an inconvenient time or something.
It would be far cheaper to our country to have free housing, UBI, universal healthcare and social programs everywhere than what we are doing now, but what we are doing now makes about 1,000 people INSANELY wealthy at the expense of the other 342,000,000 people in the country, so that's what we keep doing for some stupid reason.
Maybe one day everyone will wake up and stop enabling systems that create this shithole.
There's about 40 other capitalist countries where losing your job doesn't end in homelessness and medical debt is not even a thing. And we have universal Healthcare, paid annual leave, paid parental leave, unlimited paid sick leave, unions,...
Basically there's only one country where all of that doesn't exist...
where are these countries? The only one I know of uses 3 methods to prevent Homelessness.
Method 1: USA tax dollars pay for all of their healthcare.
Method 2: great unemployment benefits.
Method 3: (their most preferred method of Homelessness prevention) Step 1- Find an intact house with Palestinians in it. Step 2- shoot all of them in the heads including the children. Step 3- clean up. Step 4- give house to a filthy Israeli genocide supporter.
Apparently there's no English articlr for the new version, but here's the old one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrgergeld
Medical debt might not be a thing but losing your home because you lost your job definitely happens in Europe.
Yes, losing your home after losing your job definitely happens in Europe. The difference is that many European countries have stronger safety nets: they may help with rent, provide temporary or social housing, or use Housing First, so unemployment is less likely to end in rough sleeping. They generally won’t simply pay off your mortgage, and the help isn’t guaranteed, but keeping people stably housed can be cheaper in the long run than repeatedly dealing with homelessness. It also makes finding and keeping work much easier. In the UK, for example, eligible people may receive Jobseeker’s Allowance and help with their rent through Universal Credit, or Housing Benefit in certain circumstances.
And yet losing your job can still quiet easily lead to homelessness. "There are capitalist countries where that doesn't happen" isn't an argument if it does in fact happen in those capitalist countries. We might have better safety nets, but they are band-aids that only slow the function of capitalism, they don't solve it's inherent problems.
In Germany they will pay your rent indefinitely - as long as you're trying to find a job. Some people abuse the system, of course, but in general works well and you see very little people sleepng on the street.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Germany
I'm sure the ~300,000 rough sleepers are happy to know you don't notice them.
It's a free country, if you want to be homeless, or you have mental health issues you don't want to treat, the government cannot force you into a house.
they're still sticking to the trope that the homeless are lazy, uneducated bums; at best they're what happens to good citizens after falling into addiction.
they all WANT to be there, but we definitely don't want them!!!
but that narrative should be falling apart as conditions deteriorate...
but you know, american education lol.
"BrO, bUt ThE mErItOcRaCy, ThE uNiVeRsE gIvEs YoU wHaT yOu AcTuAlLy DeSiRe WiThIn ThE dEpThS oF yOuR iNnEr SoUl"
made me think of the square girl video lol
Yes, I really can't wrap my way around their way of thinking.
There are people who have such big issues in life, and such bad options, that a bench in a park is their best option for a place to sleep. That is horrible, and something must be done. And politicians think removing their best option is a solution?
If people can show enough compassion to invest in getting these people back on their feet, if you are really just going to ignore them - at least to that. Let them be.
If we're talking drunk people causing issues, and they need to learn to go home instead - then I'd get it. Not my preferred solution, but I'd get it.
I think everyone CAN get together to make a difference, everyone who cares.
drunk and disorderly is arrestable. This is only for stopping sleeping 100%
Because it gets them votes. The politicians aren't the problem, they merely reflect public attitudes.
They cause public attitudes in most cases, so...
What makes you think that the average politician is actually a leader, rather than just a follower who pays attention to polls? That would imply they have a spine, which seems unlikely.
You have a good point, actually 🤣
But people prefer to follow the one who "knows everything" and that never shows any kind of doubt or insecurity.
C'mon, precisely because they're in the "Dunning-Kruger" sector of the bell curve is why they can have a big influence in a lot of people.
I think some of the politicians really are part of the problem.
We need societal-level solutions to homelessness. We need housing, free healthcare, free mental healthcare, criminal justice reform, and more. But until we can do that, the reality is, concentrations of the homeless are associated with higher crime, reduced patronage of businesses, and decreased property values.
It super duper sucks, but homelessness is a really difficult problem for cities and property owners they aren't equipped to address. Since they can't fix the problem, they instead focus on keeping the problem away.
It's all so fucked.
This feels like a very US-specific way of framing it. In the UK and much of Europe, many of those “societal-level solutions” already exist to varying degrees: healthcare and mental healthcare free at the point of use, unemployment support, benefits towards rent, social and temporary housing, legal homelessness-prevention duties, and Housing First programmes.
They’re nowhere near perfect. We have social-housing shortages, benefit limits, long healthcare waiting lists and plenty of people who still fall through the gaps. But the response doesn’t have to begin and end with moving homeless people somewhere less visible to protect property values.
Your point that individual businesses and property owners cannot solve homelessness is completely fair. That’s precisely why they should sit behind a publicly funded safety net which helps keep people housed and supports them back into stability, instead of leaving everyone involved to deal with the consequences.
Lemmy lol. Answer is simple. Everyday folks don't like seein' them, as they consider them lowlifes. City is doing "something" about it, so city is doing good. There are shelters, so it's not like these people have no options.
Everyday folk don't think about shelters being overcrowded, homeless being alcoholics/druggies just to cope with their situation and thus not being able to use shelters, or the fact that I've seen software devs, here on lemmy, mention being homeless or being in the past.
Most people are reactive, not proactive. They see dirty homeless person, they feel yucky, they tell said person to gtfo without thinking about the fact that it's a person in the first place.
Yeah but being proactive is illegal unless you're part of some organization and making profit somewhere along the way.
By that I mean it's fucked up in the US, how I cant by a few boxes of frozen burgers, cook them make a bunch of burgers and start handing food out; unless I was part of some organization that somewhere along the way is making money or hype to make sure their other businesses get business.
...wait, making field kitchens is illegal in USA? I am not living there so I wouldn't know. Can't ya like throw barbeque in your backyard or smth?
Yeah, you can do the BBQ thing. You, just can't for instance buy a used RV and climb on top of it and start handing out cooked food to everyone.
The bourgeois don't want to look at the plebians.
Sure, commuters with jobs are the bourgeoisie.
Because people are more comfortable letting homeless people starve or freeze to death than they are with shooting them.
Same reason people are happy to buy ham from the grocery store but would feel uncomfortable slitting a pig's throat.