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you know what would solve this? simplex.
"Just get everyone in your life to move to ______ and that will solve all your problems"
A suggestion as old as time
it's one of the most secure message apps available.
messages are signed, encrypted and passed through servers, never left on the server. unless you were the intended recipient you will not decrypt it.
it's the truecrypt of instant messaging.
Signal does all that already
signal has a closed source server that can't be audited.
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server
That changed
what does it need a database for?
simplex is literally a message broker. no data remains on the server.
Signal doesn't keep messages either. Do you know what they can serve FBI every time they ask? Nothing but number at first seen date. They don't have your metadata.
then why does it have a database?
Here's what he documentation says;
... Or wait...
Oops, that was from Simplex, who has a database, that didn't come from Signal's documentation
https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplexmq/blob/master/protocol/overview-tjr.md
cherry picking.
what this means is don't blindly trust a random public router.
if you host your own router, you can set the threshold to hours or seconds. you can also ensure that your router isn't maliciously storing records.
simplex uses an in-memory queue to store messages for delivery. if the server was extracted for legal measures, this means the messages are erased and difficult if not impossible to collect.
for signal, they are written to disk. this means there is evidence of communications between users. even if you host your own signal server, it will be there.
Liar
You're claiming Signal does these things when it doesn't, and claim Simplex doesn't do what's in the documentation
By the way, the Simplex CEO supports nazis
Because sometimes, people are not online 24/7 and messages still need to reach them when possible.
Oh really? Simplex would block someone from accessing your phone and thus Simplex' data?
give me a list of messaging apps that stop attacks that leverage physical access.
use a better os that has encryption and kill codes if that's your concern.
um...
why are you so against people using a more secure way to communicate?
the only time they mention signal is when they explain they used linked devices to obtain signal messages. not SMS! if you lose your phone or whatever, and log in on a new device, your messages won't magically reappear, they are lost, and all your contacts get a warning that your safety numbers have changed.
simplex messages stay on your phone. you can't switch phones and have them follow you because there's no way to sign in because there's no account for you to sign in with.
simplex doesn't require a phone number or email. the trust is made between users, keeping users safer because it requires physical access between users. sure you can share your code over SMS or otherwise, but that's a user issue that breaks usage policy, not a problem with the software.
I think that's what I said with signal too. the exception is you can have your messages follow you, if you still have the old phone, because the app supports transferring the data.
if it can transfer the data, there's more opportunity to successfully steal it.
convenience will always negate security.
I have bad news for you, simplex also has this "security flaw": https://simplex.chat/docs/guide/managing-data.html
cool.
so then signal is just as good as simplex.
Intercepting a verification code with signal does not allow reading messages.