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Donald Trump's bruising return to the White House has sent many longtime foreign allies scrambling to get their distance, and according to a new piece from The Atlantic, that distance will last long after Trump is gone.

Trump's second term as president has been marked by notable and widespread disrespect toward nations once seen as close U.S. allies. Between his attempts to level massive tariffs against nearly every nation in the world and his frequent breaches of diplomatic norms, Trump has created a hostile global environment in which allies no longer feel safe trusting in the stability of the U.S.

In a new piece for The Atlantic on Tuesday, staff writer Vivian Salama argued that this new dynamic, in which the nations of the world are working to establish a safe distance from the U.S., is bound to become the new normal for years to come, even after Trump leaves office and is potentially replaced by a more traditional, dependable administration.

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[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 103 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Are there people who still don't know this or are just realizing this?

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 80 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately, yes there are.

I talked to an idiot the other day who said Carney only rejected a trade deal with the USA to "stay in power"... they apparently are not aware Carney already has a majority, is very popular ATM and does not have to face an election for some 3 years.

Some people are just too dumb to realize when they are wrong and will die on their chosen dumbass hill

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I do have to wonder about their logic. If rejecting a trump deal kept him in power, one would conclude that a majority of Canadians agree that we should not make that deal, or a majority of his base.

So even in their own dumbass world their explanation still makes no sense

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

well let me explain, you start assuming they have any logic… you just went down the rabbit hole from there

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Carney rejected a Trump deal because Canada is a democracy. This is terrible!

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

thats definition of a low information voter. conservatives are almost always low info, they voted for R, but never follow up the policies, just that did vote. thats how they see it as a team sport.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Yes, the people that dont follow the news, poltics at all, and the republicans that dont follow anything after they voted.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It happens more slowly than you might think.

Here in Australia the US has been our major ally since WWII and is generally seen as the enforcer holding off Chinese expansion in our region.

When the tariffs were announced ours were minimal and largely to our benefit anyway.

The general feeling was, the Americans are having a bad day, but we can weather that to maintain our long term relationship.

We have an agreement with the UK and US to build nuclear submarines, which would be helpful in maintaining control in south east Asia. This is a long term strategy with many billions involved, likely to stimulate entire regions in Australia. However, the arrangement is looking very unappealing presently and no one actually believes the US will deliver on their end.

I think the summary is, everyone knows that Trump is not a reliable partner but he will be dead soon, and these relationships run pretty deep.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump is not a reliable partner but he will be dead soon

But you can't rely on the US being a reliable partner at all then. In 4 years the citizens could just vote in someone just as unreliable as Trump who will throw away previous agreements on a whim. They've already done it twice, and it's clear the US has no mechanism in place to make sure it holds to previous agreements.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 1 points 1 day ago

Perhaps another way to say the same thing ... other sane governments are reliable partners, and it's worth upholding the agreements we have made for the moment, while we make other plans.

[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

People voted for Brexit, people voted for AFD, people voted for LePen, people voted for Meloni. Y'all tend to forget that this isn't only an American problem.

[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, for one, you replied to yourself and not to the person who replied to you.

[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 day ago

Oh, no. A mistake!

Answer the fucking question, jackass.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 0 points 2 days ago

You can't be this dense though