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The point is that horses got replaced by trains, trams and bicycles for most people long before cars became widely used.
Horses were still used for many things still when those existed. They were fully replaced by the ICE
You are also arguing in bad faith, because cars are not the same as internal combustion engines. You might be able to argue correctly that tractors replaced farm animals for productive use, but tractors are not cars.
Tractors are a variety of car. I'm not arguing in bad faith I just think that's nonsense.
And boats are a variety of car if they have an ICE, right? 🤡
boats are not a variety of car, but also boats didn't replace horses? tractors are in no way meaningfully different from a car.
both four wheeled vehicles attached to an ICE. Cars.
You are making up arbitrary definitions to suit your silly argument. A boat is a form of personalized transport with an ICE engine, a steering wheel and seats, even a windshield etc. so it is clearly a "car" 🤡
A car, or an automobile, is a motor vehicle with wheels. Most definitions of cars state that they run primarily on roads, seat 1–8 people, have four wheels, and mainly transport people rather than cargo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car
you're calling me a clown when you don't even know what a car is?? 🤡
By that definition a tractor isn't a car.
You’re calling me a clown when you don’t even know what a car is?? 🤡
The only thing there that it doesn't fit is "primarily on roads" the weakest part of the definition because there are plenty of off-road cars.
Where do tractors mainly transport people (or cargo)?
A boat is clearly closer to your definition of a car than a tractor.
People ride in the tractor, the hitch has cargo but saying a car with a hitch isn't a car is absurd.
You saying a boat is closer because of this nonsense point is insane. Also a truck is a car, but can primarily move cargo.
A motor vehicle with wheels doesn't describe a tractor? 🤔
Have you read the article? It's really not about horses at all, and it makes some good points that help put the horse comment into context.
Yes there are good points but the initial premise that it's a myth is wrong, I did read the article.
Perhaps we're getting hung up on the semantics of "replaced." Where once there were horses, there were later internal combustion vehicles of many kinds. But the point the article makes is simply that that "replacement" wasn't as direct as the typical claim, as urban workers were not commuting on horseback. People did not ride into the dealership in a personal carriage, trade in the horses, and drive off the lot in a Model T. At that time, communities were denser and people were walking and using transit. Some of the transit was pulled by horses, later replaced by individual cars as the auto industry systematically attacked transit and reshaped cities, but that's not what the "replaced" claim implies. It has the sound of a 1:1 swap.