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Student, 15, has hand blown off by police stun grenade during French mass protests
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 05 Oct 2026
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Way to reverse the blame on the victims again. Protesters can't control violent individuals. That's why you deploy the police in a normal world.
But you seem to mean the protesters need to do the police's job otherwise police will start crushing protests.
Be aware that
1.This would not be possible if the infiltrated policemen were not covered by both their hierarchy (actually they were most likely ordered to start a battle) and the anti-riot police. Anti-riot police know well how to go get an identified individual in a crowd. Were it a student, they would have done so, and not smoothly.
2. Over the last decade, we had countless of whistleblowers from the police force who were quitting over racism, sexism, gutted by the rise of the far right ideology in the police ranks. Pretend of being attacked is not to ease the decent policemen, it's to keep pretending in medias and court. France police is deeply deeply rotted, and might well be beyond salvation.
Advice to mitigate issues isn't the same as putting blame. I think you're confusing pragmatism for moral opposition. Cops being bastards isn't their victims' fault, but that observation isn't worth jack shit if they continue to be bastards.
When the police send provocateurs to help them crush protests, you can hardly rely on the police to also control the provocateurs. Of course nobody should have to do the cops' job, and not everybody can realistically stop someone from starting shit, but on a practical level, isn't it strictly better if somebody does something?
They won't suffer consequences, of course, but that's not my point. We both agree that it's the fault of the system for being fucked up.
On the other hand, if they were prevented from doing their job (such as other protesters holding them back from trying to attack), what are the police gonna do? Arrest people for stopping violence? I'm sure that's a great look.
It can be both, but either way, isn't it strictly better to prevent them from being attacked and undermining that pretense? Because that's what I'm on about: what can be done?
If you have a suggestion for how to deal with this problem, I'm all ears; that's what these discussion spaces are great for.
I just don't think "Shit's fucked, but it's not my fault" is a productive mindset. It's not wrong, just not very useful for unfucking things.
I hear what you're saying, but I don't think "self-policing" is a good approach either. If the perpetrator is an infiltrated cop, you'd be assaulted and charged for assaulting a cop (they act in group, and their colleagues will attest the cop identified himself as a cop). If the perpetrator is not a cop, it will most likely end in a fight and police will have again an excuse to intervene to "break up the fight"... by beating everyone.
The first thing I can see is document and expose them. The cop throwing projectile has been identified and his unmasked photo is now on Internet.
The second and even better thing is the propaganda doesn't work well: a farmer union just announced they will join the protest to protect the kids and add their issues, that they see all related. More teachers want to join the protests, another large general union wants to join the protests.
At some point, they won't be able to pretend everyone is violent and causing troubles.
Good points all around. Thanks for the civil contribution!
victims frequently are to blame and claiming otherwise will increase the number of victims.