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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

rich white men are privileged.

poor whites, are not privileged.

and there are way more poor white people than rich white people.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Poor whites are still white. Yes they're still privileged.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

cool, go trade places with a poor white boy in louisana and see how much 'privilege' that life brings.

I'm sure you will love the lack of education, economic opportunity, and the backwards culture you're brought up in that you can't escape.

oh, you don't want ot make that trade? gee, maybe because you're more privileged than they are...

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And that poor WHITE boy is still going to have more privelage than a poor black one. Gee, maybe it’s like, some sort of spectrum and not quite so… black and white.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

right, because people's skin color is inherently how much power and priveldge they have...

and not actual power and privilege. because you know, we can't talk about that. we just attribute it to skin color. and that's not extremely racist at all...

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

right, because peoples skin color is inherently how much power and privilege they have…

Yes. Like, yeah bud. That’s how racism works. White people are going to have more privilege than black people.

That’s not to say that the poor white kid isn’t going to experience hardships but the poor black child is deffo gonna have it way worse.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Do you have any real world experience with underprivledged people, or is this all purely theoretical for you?

Plenty of white kids have it way worse than black kids, or any other race of kid, or mixed kids. But that would require learning about the circumstances of the individual, rather than treating their 'privledge' as a pure product of their skin color.

What if the black kid is Jewish? or Episcopalian? Did you know those religious groups have much higher incomes than Catholics or Baptists? or does skin color trump religion?

What you are misunderstanding (possibly intentionally), is that each axis of power dynamics has more- and less-privileged positions: race, class, sex, gender, sexual orientation, physical dis/ability, mental dis/ability, etc. A fully able-bodied and mentally healthy rich, white, straight, cis man is obviously going to be more privileged than a paraplegic, poor, black, gay, trans woman with learning disabilities (but note that even this does not automatically translate into more happiness, better self-esteem, etc.). But if you try to compare the privilege of an upper-middle class, native-American, gay, cis woman born with only one hand vs. a poor, white, straight, cis, teenage boy with ADHD, it’s much thornier, and ultimately not an important comparison to make.

When people speak of white privilege, they are saying that a white person lives generally unencumbered by their race and how others perceive them because of it. They are, in aggregate, less likely to be pulled over or stopped by police. They are more likely to get job interviews, and to be seen as a good potential hire by those interviewing them.

For male privilege, it means being more likely to be seen as leadership material, less likelihood of being sexually assaulted, a probability of higher lifetime earnings, and less chance of having one’s ailments dismissed by doctors, or of being passed over for a promotion because you might someday get pregnant and need maternity leave.

Every axis of privilege is different, they are not particularly cross-comparable, and they are all just probabilities - none are deterministic. Some types of privilege are fairly inherent (class, health/ability), while others are based on how our society treats people differently based on group affiliation (race, sex, gender, sexuality). The point of identifying these is not to shame those who have privilege, but rather to recognize the various difficulties faced by those who are less privileged, so that we might mitigate those challenges. In a just world, everyone would be treated as though they were a member of the privileged group(s) along every axis, and judged only by their own actions.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Right. So now we are getting into what is called ‘intersectionality’. That’s where you look at all the different factors such as gender, race, sexuality, etc. Yes, some black people are going to have more privalage than some white people. We have to take all of this into account. Like I said, it really isn’t so black and white.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Right, and now I roll my eyes because I went to a rich liberal arts school full of people who lectured everyone about such terms, and then tried to volunteer or do non-profit work, and got so mad and sad they couldn't save the world, and then got a job at daddy's law firm for 200K a year because life with a bag is a lot easier than trying to liberate people from the oppression of their... life circumstances.

How privileged are you? Have you assessed yourself and given yourself a nice little intersectional score of privilege? Or are you perpetually underprivledged?

Funny thing about everyone I know who uses the term intersectionality... they never identity as privileged, they always identify as underprivileged. Especially if they were born into millions of dollars... weird how that happens?

Funny how all the immigrant and poor kids at my school... didn't study that stuff... they had to get jobs and pay bills, which, as I understand from many things I've seen on here and social media 'is oppression'.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

i know. i can't ever understand. my skin is white therefore I just can't help going around oppressing other people.

if I truly understood my privileged, I'd just kill myself so I stop oppressing everyone, but only if I donate all my assets to some random poor black immigrant woman who is trans, mentally ill, and physically disabled, right? gotta maximize those intersectionality underprilvedged points to offset my privileged points!

FWIW I live in a city where people talk about stupid shit like this all day. But I don't ever seem them giving up their million dollar homes and Teslas to poor black folks. I wonder why that is. Almost as if their conservations about this are more about status signalling to each other more than anything else...

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Okay. Maybe you aren’t as close as I thought.

[–] dkppunk@piefed.social 3 points 3 hours ago

Do not waste your breath on that one. He’s the single most obnoxious person I’ve seen on Lemmy.

[–] johnyreeferseed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

More privelage than a black guy living in Louisiana.

[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

I think we get into problems like this when we start trying to quantitate privilege like this.

They have different privilege.

Almost everyone benefits from some kind of privilege. Yes, some are more profound than others, but thinking of it in simple terms of quantity accomplishes nothing for anyone.

We benefit from learning to recognize and acknowledge the specific privileges from which we benefit, not from carrying guilt or burden over the concept of privilege itself.

Explaining to a poor white man that they have privilege just because they do teaches them nothing. Explaining to them that they dont have the privilege of wealth to shield them from certain circumstances, but do have the specific privilege of not having systemic racism as an additional hurdle to their already real existing problems allows them the space to feel seen and acknowledge while still having the distance to see the point.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

really. so a middle-class black kid has less privilege than a poor white kid?

or maybe privilege is about money and power? and skin color has very little to do with that.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 1 points 49 minutes ago

Skin color has a ton to do with who has money and power. That's, like, the central theme of American history.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Clutch them pearls.

Anyone reading this. Make friends with black immigrants, specifically black women and then let's talk about privilege.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What if they are from millionaire families? Are they still underprivileged?

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Clutch dem pearls harder.

Are you really going to tell everyone here a black poor person is equal to a white one?

Really? That's the hill you're going to die on?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

No, I'm telling you your belief is racist and ignorant, because of your assumption a black skin inherently makes one 'worse off' than white skin.

I'm someone who grew up in a poor mixed race community. But please tell me more about how my real life experience is wrong? I certainly get that a lot, especially whenever I'm around wealthy and privileged people.

What's funny is when I meet other people who grew up the way I did... they tend to be not dogmatic and way less racist/sexist, compared to the rich white/black folks. And the Asians... just don't care about any of that shit.