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Utterly false, given that all the decent Chinese models (especially Qwen) are distilled from Western frontier models.
They literally could not exist without the enormously carbon emissive western models existing first to train them.
Also China has an insanely diversified grid, that utilises almost a global scale of fossil fuels.
So its like green communism at best
yeah the comment was bad enough I looked at the user. been around for 2 years and no posts or comments till this one. made a note on the account.
Alas, I guess this is what I get for trying to participate and having an unpopular opinion
What does this mean please (remember the title of the post!) and how do you know?
Basically, it's really really expensive (from a compute standpoint, and more compute = money and energy) to train a decent LLM just using books and conversations etc. Anthropic, OpenAI, etc spend a truly insane amount of money doing this is in data centers.
Running an LLM like that is also extremely expensive from a compute standpoint, and right now the true frontier models can basically only be run in datacenters.
However, once you have a really good LLM, you can use it to train another LLM. Because it's basically already refined all its original training data (and is capable of further refining it'd output on the fly), training a new LLM from it is vastly easier and cheaper.
Additionally, you can use a much smaller and more efficient model, so it can run on less powerful hardware.
So all local LLMs that are any good that exist right now, were trained using the outputs of existing super expensive frontier models. They could not exist without the frontier models to train them. This is also how OpenAI and Anthropic create their cheaper models. Mythos/Fable is anthropics current frontier model and they distill it into (use it to train) their cheaper models like Sonnet and Opus.
Wow. as if the original models weren't rickety enough.
They're honestly not that rickety. If you're getting your news from social media (including Lemmy) you may want to actually try them rather than just take the random incidents where things go wrong as broadly representative.
Can you prove that? Alibaba (makers of Qwen) is one of the largest data processors in the world. Why do you think they're dependent on Western systems?
They've been explicitly accused of doing so and it would make sense given that they don't have access to the same level of compute as Anthropic or OpenAI, being subject to the chip embargo and all.
Ok so no proof then?
Do you have proof they didn't?
Or do you just like innocently simping for Chinese e-commerce mega corporations?
Such a brave white knight.