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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In Norway we'd say "kvinnekamp er klassekamp". It's a bit catchier, but more importantly "kvinnekamp" is a more established term than "women's struggle", so I wasn't sure how well it would translate. If it sounds good to native speakers that's of course great!

[–] nysqin@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So what you're saying it's like the idiom "trans rights are human rights" but "women's rights are class rights"? I'm sure people can work with that.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The logic of the slogan is the same for sure. However, I find the word kamp to be important: Rights are something you have or you don't. Emphasizing rights is great and all, but you risk making people believe they only need to support rights rather than to fight for them.

The central point of Marx is that "the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles". In Norwegian socialism the core instinct is to join the class struggle, to strike, protest, and fight the capital in any way possible in order to create better conditions not for yourself, but for those fighting at your side.

Unlike "kamp" I don't find "struggle" to be a particularly powerful word, but I think it's important to use it. This is about a lot more than protecting the rights of women or to grant new ones; it's about fixing a gigantic gaping hole in our culture. It is a struggle, and it will continue to be until the end of history.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Kamp" is more akin to "battle" than "struggle" in energy. I would translate "kvinnekamp" as "fighting for women", but you can't really translate "klassekamp" in the same way, so you lose symmetry.

The best I can come up with on the spot is "Fighting for women is a class fight".

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, this is why I find that it doesn't translate so well. The German Klassenkampf is typically translated as class struggle though, so those familiar with Marxism in English will recognize the term, flawed as it is.

It's fascinating how interconnected ideas and language is.

I really should learn Norwegian. As a German I know half your words anyway. Why am I trying to learn Italian? It's way too hot there!