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  1. Why does everyone drive 10-15 miles above the speed limit?

  2. Why don't we raise the speed limit if that's how fast everyone wants to go?

  3. Why is traffic enforcement given to very expensive and ineffective police instead of cheaper and more automated traffic cameras?

  4. Why do we refuse to ever use ANY traffic calming measures? Yes, than you flashing digital sign for telling me I'm going 10 miles above the limit on this incredibly wide and straight and flat road with high curbs and perfect visibility.

It's a serious confusion I have about how society is supposed to operate because it seems like a complete and total breakdown of logic and sense.

And, yes, I know there's some thing people did long ago to set the speed limit at some percentile of what people were already traveling at, but that's obviously a stupid way to do it and we did it anyway. So why?

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[–] gastroglizzy@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

A lot to unpack here. Many reasons for all. Since I'm typing with my thumbs, and this will be a long one, I'll be glossing over some details.

Why does everyone drive 10-15 miles above the speed limit?

There are many reasons, but the two biggest are:

  1. The systemic issue road design often not reflecting the safe speed of that road.
  2. The systemic issue of traffic enforcement also being a means of fundraising for police, thus making only the "big" tickets worth their time.

Why don’t we raise the speed limit if that’s how fast everyone wants to go?

The better option is to design roads such that a lower speed feels more appropriate to the given conditions.

Why is traffic enforcement given to very expensive and ineffective police

The systemic issue of US police being trained to believe they're warriors in battle, thus many of them seeing traffic enforcement as not worth their time. The better question is, why are law enforcement and traffic enforcement carried out by the same people?

instead of cheaper and more automated traffic cameras?

The US Constitution guarantees the accused the right to face and question their accuser in a court of law. Rules of court procedure guarantee a witness cannot offer evidence to an event they didn't personally witness. This makes prosecution via camera problematic; the camera can't be called into court for questioning and no person personally witnessed the event occur.

Why do we refuse to ever use ANY traffic calming measures? Yes, than you flashing digital sign for telling me I’m going 10 miles above the limit on this incredibly wide and straight and flat road with high curbs and perfect visibility.

The systemic issue of widespread corruption, resulting in projects being completed as cheaply as possible, as opposed to as effectively as possible. Proper measures requires hiring engineers to determine what's needed and then installing them. Every dollar spent on that is a dollar their friend who was contracted for the project can't pocket and donate during their next campaign.

US Americans aren't stupid. Their government has been captured by corrupt officials and oligarchs who are making money off the status quo.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This makes prosecution via camera problematic; the camera can’t be called into court for questioning and no person personally witnessed the event occur.

By this logic you can't accuse someone in a situation where your only evidence is security camera footage. That may be the case? Either way it's just one of a plethora of examples of how wonky the US justice system is.

  • We have security camera footage of the murder.
  • Too bad the camera can't witness in court and the only other witness (the victim) is dead.

Interaction dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

Good question about why we don't have officers just to enforce traffic. My guess is that the right to detain people is a constitutional weighty and perhaps dangerous anyway. Are there specialized traffic cops with less authority to cause mayhem somewhere in the world?

Your constitutional issues with traffic cameras don't make sense because I know for a fact that they exist and I doubt every ticket is a supreme court case. I find when it comes to policing, lots of things that are unconstitutional on its face, but the state's need to police people--especially black people--overrrides all sense and logic.

Re:traffic calming. It's such a weird feeling NOT being the most cynical person in the room. I like your take, but I think the reason is that drivers want to feel safe, and traffic calming is based entirely around making drivers feel unsafe. That and the fire department wants to be able to take every turn going 65 miles an hour with guys hanging off the side, so our roads are MUCH wider which leads to speeding.