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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

ITT: People act smug about Gen-Z when in fact 54% of them voted Harris... And OLDER WHITE MEN were Trump's biggest voting block once again.

...and that's a repeating pattern for Republicans. Stop letting old white men off the hook just because it's more "expected" for them to be shit.

What's more blaming young people is just a way to get MILLENNIALS to BECOME rightwing/old in their opinions.

Gen-Z are fine they're just out there with no idea, trying shit. Like every generation has to in order to find themselves.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2024

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Gen-Z are fine they’re just out there with no idea, trying shit. Like every generation has to in order to find themselves.

Eh. I'm a millennial and we didn't do something like make the manosphere a viable political movement. We just dressed weird and did our hair weird for a while and it was pretty cringey, but not politically dangerous.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

But being like every other generation and turning on young people to attack and blame them would be doing something. The wrong something.

I don't think teens wanting to have sex or wanting a way to get it (eg. What the manosphere promised) is new or surprising. I don't think they can blamed for that. I think it was political propaganda... And many of the providers of the content were millennials. From Roosh-V, to Neil Strausss (author of 'The Game') to Andrew Tate. So we didn't do anything other than create it.

...I just don't want to see millennials become another fuddy duddy generation blaming the young so easily. If you're against the manosphere, you should be for showing empathy and understanding. The things the manosphere hates.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yep, the Gen Z thing is a misdirect.

They're at least capable of learning, in aggregate.

Spoiled narcissist white male Boomers?

Not capable of learning, in aggregate.

[–] topperharlie@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand your logic. The article says that Zoomers regret it more, and the reasons are that the Trump policies specially affect them more negatively (in the short term, long term is a disaster for everyone, even non Americans).

The argument of people in the comments is "duh! he told you he was going to do these things that were clearly bad for you right now" and your logic is: "hey, genx white men vote him more! leave ~britney~ Zoomers alone!"

Like, where is the connection?

The zoomers that voted trump (same as the women, immigrants, LGBTQ+, and everyone he hates) are dumb as fuck, and yes, we are not going to say "oh poor baby, the bad man fooled you..." because it was clear as day what the policies were.

This doesn't mean letting anyone off the hook, anyone tht votes far right (American or not) has my eternal antipathy, because is always a vote for individualism, lack of empathy and the belief of "the law of the jungle", which is very short sighted due to how macroeconomy works, as we will be all fucked by that logic (other than billionaires)

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Because I think the media are going to target Gen-Z, spread the mistruth that they're hardcore rightwing. Try to manipulate millennials into blaming them - because the owners of the media, and their billionaire friends want generational tension rather than focusing of the rich, and rich, older, white men.

I think this project of thiers is already underway, and th comments show people kinda falling for it... A lot. It's the classic, use left vs right to protect up (the rich) from down (everyone else).

Essentially I see the article as propaganda aimed at creating and feeding a bias.

[–] topperharlie@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Maybe stop creating more generational confrontation and start aiming at the real culprits.

Generational, racial and identity confrontation is something that the right wing uses to divide people in the real actual confrontation that matters: class.

So, in a way, you are falling for it IMHO.

I always find the whole Boomer/GenX/millenial/genz/genalpha conversation quite stupid, but the answer is never to just choose another generation to blame, maybe choose to blame the people that actually voted the pedophile, regardless of the age.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Try to manipulate millennials into blaming them

That won't be hard, since the defining characteristic of millennials is literally blaming everyone.

[–] topperharlie@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago

blaming everyone is the defining characteristics of everyone... you are doing it too.

Please stop falling for the divide and conquer strategies that use generations to divide us.

I'm in between millennials and gen-x and I know marvelous people in all the generations, so please don't fall for the "my generation is the best, we don't criticise and are the most empathetic and have the worst conditions and all this is because the generation are the worst, also don't want to work and are all lazy and have it super easy"

I've heard that from ALL the generations, I think it goes back to ancient Greece, is maybe time to break that.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The fact that only 54% voted for Harris is the reason why Gen-Z gets so much hate.

Everybody expects old white men to vote Conservative. Meanwhile Gen-Z was born into the era of ubiquitous internet access. They've had access to the entire world's knowledge from the very moment they learned to read. So what's their excuse? They didn't have to just blindly follow whatever they told you to believe on the TV and in the newspaper, they've had access to cold, hard facts from the very beginning.

Therefore it is mind-blowing to me that a whopping forty six percent of them could manage to be this ignorant and dumb, when all they gotta do is pull out their always-online pocket computer and read to easily figure out that MAGA is completely and utterly full of shit.

Bottom line is that old white men at least had an excuse for ignorance at one point. Gen-Z never did. And that's why they deserve the most criticism out of any voting-age generation IMO.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

they’ve had access to cold, hard facts from the very beginning.

That's not how algorithmic social media, which is where they source all their "facts" from, works. Gen Z is not a generation that goes out and researches things; they are spoon-fed information (true or false) in bite-sized pieces which they use to piece together a basic world view that aligns with that of their tribe. They are more concerned with being seen to be good or smart by their peers, another product of being raised by algorithmic social media, than they are with being educated on a topic or developing an independent opinion or thought. This is a generation that is notorious for its inability to focus or concentrate or anything, and that severely impairs its ability to think critically and deeply about issues.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I get what you're saying, but I just don't feel like making excuses for dumb people. I believe that if you're raised in a certain environment it doesn't mean you have to end up a specific way....unless you're kind of dumb.

This isn't centuries ago where you're born into a village and that village and its customs are all that you know, forever. All data is accessible now. If you end up stupid, it's kind of your own fault.

I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but I'm old enough that I lived the first chunk of my life before the internet became a thing and I'm WAY more intelligent with the internet than I was without it. I'm much more aware of what's going on in the world around me. I know so much more about, just, random shit. And I didn't receive some special education. I received a public education in the U.S.

There's really no excuses. I believe the internet, or propaganda in any form, only corrupts if you're kind of generally dumb.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm not really sure why you're talking about yourself. You are clearly not Gen Z, therefore your experience is completely irrelevant. It's like a Boomer telling a young person "well I bought a house so there's no excuses for you" - it completely ignores everything that has changed about the world since they were that age.

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, what most people have in their pockets is providing them access to a well-oiled propaganda machine. Maybe the people on Lemmy are on average less trusting of such things, but that's not normal. The right picks and champions influencers nearly constantly. The Dems don't have much success here.

[–] Waffelmeister@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I like to say: we carry a re-education camp in our pockets. And we choose do do so.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh we're just going to pretend the children should have been the parents? The youngest and most vulnerable to manipuation should have been the adults in the room.

You're doing the EXACT thing I complained about.

Bottom line is that old white men at least had an excuse for ignorance at one point. Gen-Z never did. And that's why they deserve the most criticism out of any voting-age generation IMO.

You simply haven't made the case. Sorry, your argument is that more experience = a good excuse for ignorance? That first time voters should be the most expert... And that Internet access for young people, didn't also subject them to one of the biggest online propaganda campaigns ever seen.

Did you just not notice how memes were used in the Trump campaigns?... And then this whole idea that millennials and older just don't have Internet access? WTF is wrong with you? How out of touch with reality are you?

STOP EXCUSING OLD WHITE MEN, UNLESS YOU WANT TO SEE MORE OLD WHITE MEN IN CHARGE.

...it's not that difficult.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think you completely missed the point. They're not saying genz should be the adults in the room.

They're surprised that a generation who never drew breath without the internet came of age without the wisdom they hypothesized such a life would avail.

You gotta understand: earlier generations couldn't trivially verify things. Anyone they ever interacted with were the people like... On their street. Diversity of thought was informed by limited contact. The internet, at one point, appeared to promise a radical solution to both. The optimism for the future, as a result, was essentially unbounded.

It's not fair to ask gen z to save anyone. I don't think its what buddy was saying, but if it was, it was unfair.

I think buddy was coming to the very late realization that the optimism of the transformative nature of the internet was misplaced. The hypothesis just didn't pan out. You can give a human for their entire lives the ability to get the answer to any question, verify anything they're told, and meet and talk to people with diverse viewpoints that may challenge what they're exposed to based on proximity...

... And ultimately they're just about as dumb as anyone else.

And I get the impression that, more than anything else, is what makes them sad.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I still think raising the pre-internet era at all, and pointing towards people who live offline as if they're a big demographic, is weak excuse making. The internet is 30 years old and we're all on it now.

But yeah, it doesn't just solve everything... And nor will AI.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're 100% right. I never said they don't have an excuse now, all I said is that they once did. I carefully worded my sentence for a reason.

Meanwhile Gen-Z never had an excuse for ignorance. That's my point.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

First time inexperienced voters, the young not known for taking life seriously or for having ever seen the reprocussions of their votes... Have no excuses? Really?

You're still not making sense. You're saying young people aren't politically vulnerable, niave, or able to be manipulated when OF COURSE THEY ARE!

Like I said the first time, the pretense is:

That first time voters should be the most expert... And that Internet access for young people, didn't also subject them to one of the biggest online propaganda campaigns ever seen.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I remember when, to find myself, I needed to look at and then step into a bear trap.

Old White men are stupid and at fault, so is some large proportion of Gen Z, and probably others. If they have regret, fuck all of them. Next time do your homework, this was all knowable in advance. Welcome to the "school of hard knocks" (hurr durr), better known in 2026 as the school of FAFO.

[–] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I prefer my .edu source which uses exit polling. Says 45% of women, 55% men. 57% whites (as a group).

EDIT: Your source uses teen vogue as it's source, who uses this NYT article (which is again, exit polling). It's closer to what I'm saying, white men were Trump's biggest voting block: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

Unpaywalled version: https://archive.is/GTeDy