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Started out with a good cause, but it was quickly turned to shit by selfish, evil people. Not the first time it's happened in France, I'm afraid.
It's a classic problem with mass civil disobedience. All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who'll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows. Then they can frame the entire movement as violent and base.
Im not advocating against civil disobedience, but you need solidarity to avoid this.
This is why I'm glad for videos like this one, showing the reasonable people
Bad people distort narratives regardless of the actions of others.... No matter what she did, my first wife was always the victim. DARVO is a thing, identify it and ignore it. These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting does not disqualify their complaints. Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction to the original violation against them.
I 100% agree.
But this doesn't mean that revolutionary action demands we hold the delusional belief that this market was looted because the protestors were on the brink of starvation or had no access to clean water or medical supplies.
They smashed that shop to bits because it was fun and an opportunity to rob some vapes.
Greed. Its in all of us, and the filthy rich love exploiting the them, as they easier to manipulate.
This is something the greedy want you to believe, and an insult to the majority of humanity who would never act like this.
Doesn't change that it's in all of us even if you don't personally act on it.
We all have it in our capacity to do great good or great evil in the world.
But that's exactly why this makes all the difference. The capacity for action is meaningless, as you state, we all possess it.
Every human is a human. We are a product of our (largely shared) genetics and circumstance.
Every last human is capable of the evils any given human comitted. We are all the same.
People get very defensive about this, but the only counter I ever hear is "nuh uh."
If you strip away everything that has made them an individual, yes you're right. But I think that just highlights that your argument is a pointless distinction.
If you swapped me out at birth with a Nazi general, there's a good chance I'd be driven down the same life path.
Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they've adopted in life, that wouldn't destroy a corner shop for no reason. That wouldn't assault a woman trying to protect her place of work.
First of all that was just a "nuh uh." But,
No human chose how to be brought into the world. Your argument is not substantive.
Empathy is the path forward. Othering outgroups is not. We have plenty of research to back this up.
Well if your rebuttal is simply determinism then I think you'll find that nobody's arguments can possibly contain any substance.
Agreed.
Nobody has been othered. In fact using it in this way dilutes the word as its simply rhetoric intended to censor discussion behind a purity test.
Which is EXACTLY what the Elites do as matter of routine. They just don't like it when it gets turned on THEM.
So I'm sure you'll agree it's much better to loot an apple store or burn down a billionaires mansion rather than smash a corner shop to bits and assault other working class people.
It’s almost like there’s a reason that successful movements have an emphasis on peaceful protest.
It's still a good cause. Just because a few hundred assholes take advantage of the situation doesn't mean the hundred of thousands that went to the street to protest peacefully are wrong
FYI the topic of protest was "life is too expensive." So there's really no mystery as to why people are stealing.
More generally, looting is to be expected in a society that constantly tells us the meaning of life and our our moral worth is based on what we own, all the while denying most people any chance to actually own anything. Looting is one of the monstrous avatars of capitalism.
Trickle Down Economics created all these Sociopathic Oligarchs, and it has been obvious for decades that the benefits of Trickle Down Economics were fraudulent from the beginning. They refuse to surrender Trickle Down, so now society is spontaneously pivoting to Robin Hood Economics, and it's going to spread.
It happens in every worthwhile protest. If you see it more it's partly because the media wants you to, partly because things are so bad your country has been letting more people feel this is okay.
Also, everyone thinks the French revolution was so cool, but beheadings weren't normal back then either, it probably wasn't the most well-spoken of the protestors doing that violence either.
How do you know they're selfish, evil people?
Yo can't see?
I mean I see people stealing stuff, but there are a lot of valid reasons for stealing. I'm just wondering how they know the motivation behind the stealing.
if they are taking a bottle of water and a sandwich because they are exhausted, that's fine. If they are taking expensive electronics and brand clothes, they are low-life scum deliberately allowed to behave like this by the oppressive class, to taint the protests. It's hard to see which is happening on this video, but I am assuming the latter.
They are stealing.
Yes, but that doesn't by default make someone evil or selfish. There are stories like Robin Hood, an obvious thief, in which stealing is considered completely fine, admirable even. I'm not saying that's the case here, I'm just wondering how the original commenter knows the motivation behind people's stealing here.
Not every thievery is evil.
They aren't stealing bread for their children
There is no stealing under capitalism, it's rightful retribution /s
I don't know, could it be that they're running around in their Nike sneakers while breaking and entering, coming back out with beer and kinder surprise? They're not exactly lamenting "we have no bread"...
Even if they were taking only bread, what do the brand of sneakers matter? What are you suggesting? An ethical looter would fashion their own footwear out of burlap and string or something instead of wearing whatever footwear they have handy?
If you can afford Nike, you can afford a loaf of bread. I've met people in developing countries who are wearing sandals worn paper thin and are pushing most of what they own around on a cart. They get only one meal a day, and still refuse to steal - instead, they do whatever they can to make an honest living, however modest it may be. Those are the ones who deserve sympathy and respect, not the hooligans barging their way into shops to help themselves.
Where do you live where Nike is only a luxury brand and doesn't have any common, cheap footwear? Nobody in this video is wearing a US$300 pair.
People here are actually ridiculous, defending looters. What kind of planet are you from where looting is okay?
Since when is asking where you got your weird ideas about shoes defending looting?
During riots, people often loot markets for food and water. Which makes perfect sense: they aren't carrying a lot of resources and a night of high adrenaline rioting will exhaust and dehydrate people.
The only real solution is to provide access to cheap or free food and water throughout and after, but who is going to do that?
The stores themselves could lock up the pricey stuff and offer water access and cheapo food stuff, ask for payment, but not lock their doors or make a huff if people don't pay. But they'd have to plan for it, and not every business is going to be riot savey.
Besides, most biz are covered by insurance, so not really a big deal.
Yeah then you make a claim and your rates go up 10fold on renewal.
In most civilized countries, that is illegal and not happening, since that would defeat the entire point of insurance. I had a fire in my home, the insurance paid, I'm still with the same insurer and my rate stayed the same.