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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (7 children)

I get where this comes from but... What do you expect rioting to accomplish? It doesn't exactly have a track record of changing much in the US.

Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

[–] jsjskt@jlai.lu 3 points 25 minutes ago

I recommend reading "A People's History of The United States" by Howard Zinn. Great book! And still relevant today

[–] apiaceae@quokk.au 1 points 6 minutes ago

It is a cruel irony that this great promise of democracy is rarely realized in practice. Most of the great political reforms of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries have been accompanied by massive episodes of civil disobedience, riot, lawbreaking, the disruption of public order, and, at the limit, civil war. Such tumult not only accompanied dramatic political changes but was often absolutely instrumental in bringing them about. Representative institutions and elections by themselves, sadly, seem rarely to bring about major changes in the absence of the force majeure afforded by, say, an economic depression or international war. Owing to the concentration of property and wealth in liberal democracies and the privileged access to media, culture, and political influence these positional advantages afford the richest stratum, it is little wonder that, as Gramsci noted, giving the working class the vote did not translate into radical political change. Ordinary parliamentary politics is noted more for its immobility than for facilitating major reforms.

We are obliged; if this assessment is broadly true, to confront the paradox of the contribution of lawbreaking and disruption to democratic political change. Taking the twentieth-century United States as a case in point, we can identify two major policy reform periods, the Great Depression of the 1930s and the civil rights movement of the 1960s. What is most striking about each, from this perspective, is the vital role massive disruption and threats to public order played in the process of reform.

The great policy shifts represented by the institution of unemployment compensation, massive public works projects, social security aid, and the Agricultural Adjustment Act were, to be sure, abetted by the emergency of the world depression. But the way in which the economic emergency made its political weight felt was not through statistics on income and unemployment but through rampant strikes, looting, rent boycotts, quasi-violent sieges of relief offices, and riots that put what my mother would have called “the fear of God” in business and political elites. They were thoroughly alarmed at what seemed at the time to be potentially revolutionary ferment. The ferment in question was, in the first instance, not institutionalized. That is to say, it was not initially shaped by political parties, trade unions, or recognizable social movements. It represented no coherent policy agenda. Instead it was genuinely unstructured, chaotic, and full of menace to the established order. For this very reason, there was no one to bargain with, no one to credibly offer peace in return for policy changes. The menace was directly proportional to its lack of institutionalization. One could bargain with a trade union or a progressive reform movement, institutions that were geared into the institutional machinery. A strike was one thing, a wildcat strike was another: even the union bosses couldn’t call off a wildcat strike. A demonstration, even a massive one, with leaders was one thing, a rioting mob was another. There were no coherent demands, no one to talk to.

James C Scott, Two Cheers for Anarchism

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 21 minutes ago

Meanwhile the entire country fellates slave-owning tax dodgers who started such a big riot it turned into a civil war.

[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 hours ago

This is not actually true, a great deal of credit for the passing of the Civil Rights Act can and should be attributed to nationwide riots that took place in the week directly following Martin Luther King Juniors assassination. Known as the Holy Week Uprising. The American public education system purposely doesn’t talk about this and pushes the peaceful protest angle to prevent any meaningful organizing. It can easily work here too

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 17 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

EVERY SINGLE right you have right now is the result of violence and riot.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn't have a great track record in the current media landscape.

It never does. Haven't you seen what the French government is now trying to do? They're claiming it's leftist separatists doing this and it has nothing to do with schools. They will try everything to delegitimize instead of doing the right thing. Cost benefit analysis will be run later and they might learn a thing, but mostly don't.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 hours ago

That's because Americans do it wrong. The people in charge know that there is no real solidarity amongst the population, so they can just wait it out. The riots won't spread, won't last longer than a week or two at worst, and everything will go right back to the status quo once the new shiny distraction comes out.