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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's not a case of not understanding AI, that's just a case of having a misanthropic world view. His conception of consciousness is that there's nothing particularly special about it and that humans are just jumped-up apes that pretend to be important. He also probably hasn't actually spent much time philosophizing about consciousness.

[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humans are just jumped-up apes that pretend to be important. Or are you trying to say we are magic?

There is no "magic god juice" in humans that makes us conscious. Consciousness is a state already shared with non human animals.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And there you go, that's why AI boosters feel like they can say their toys are conscious. They don't think consciousness is interesting or different from how any other animal experiences the world, just jumped up apes that pretend to be special. Naturally, this leads them to conclude chatbots are conscious.

It's gibberish, of course. In reality, they don't know what it is and don't care to define it because it is unimportant to them. These can be very smart people who know a lot about AI, but they don't know a lot about consciousness and their opinions shouldn't be taken that seriously. Qualia? What's that?

[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I never said it was unimportant. You have jumped to a lot of unfounded conclusions.

Do you believe that all animals are just unconscious reaction machines, except humans?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't believe a human and a non-human ape have equivalent ethical value. There's something different between them.

[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not what I asked. Every response you have given has been slippery and imprecise at best, and misleading at worst. I think you just don't want to say "magic god juice" because it rightfully sounds silly, but you really think "magic god juice" is what humans have.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's a question of phenomenology and subjectivity. This degradation of consciousness as "magic god juice" is just misanthropy. Yet, you yourself probably believe the life of a human is not equal to that of a non-human animal. Why? What's the difference? Can you even answer that? Have you even thought about it?

There's nothing slippery about what I've said either. AI boosters think their toys are conscious because they see consciousness as unimportant and trivial. To the extent they've thought about it, they've decided their toys have equivalent value to human life and are willing to kill everyone to build the god machine.

[–] Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

All these words, still no answer. Still arguing against your own strawman.