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[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 38 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Is this real? And what’s 6th grade for someone who isn’t American?

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Around 12 years old or so. I've been hearing something similar to this my whole life. I didn't understand how true it was until I started recruiting in 2009.

Not that it started with Bush, but after 'No Child Left Behind' act schools were incentivized so pass all students. They tied school funding to graduation rates and passing students. Teachers taught more just to the test and not comprehending the material.

I'm sure it's gotten worse COVID.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 days ago

In my high school they were passing people who were functionally illiterate to keep funding up. It was pretty much assumed those kids were a lost cause so they never got any extra help either. School would just look the other way as someone was lost in the cracks and passed on paper. The very rare ones that did manage to get extra help would take tests in a different room and it was well known the aids would just give them answers if they took too long. Everyone hated it especially the kids being passed through. They got ostracized for "having it easy" while also being frustrated they're spending all day being told to focus on stuff they don't understand and aren't getting real help with

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think 6th grade is reading for plot. Just a basic plot with a few characters. No complex themes. No unreliable narrators. Limited vocabulary.

I found an online test for it somewhere and it was like

"Sally was born in Canada and lived there until she moved to the United States when she was thirteen. She spends summers in Canada with her aunt and uncle, but spends the rest of the year in Boston. This year, she's graduating from high school and planning on attending college. She wants to see more of the country, so her top picks for college are in California and Chicago."

"Where does Sally live during the winter?"

"Where did Sally spend her childhood?"

"Where do Sally's aunt and uncle live?"

You're not going to find as many people who read badly on a majority text platform like this.

[–] GreatRam@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you allowed to refer back to the text?

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 3 days ago

I believe so. Otherwise you're testing memory as well, which would make the results very confounded.

I can't find the one I did, but https://www.varsitytutors.com/6th_grade_reading-comprehension-problem-440865 seems free.

https://www.k12reader.com/subject/reading-skills/reading-comprehension/6th-grade-reading-comprehension/ also came up.

[–] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 24 points 4 days ago

Not great. Sixth graders would be the 11-12 year old kids. It's been a while since I was in school(I'm 38) and when I was in sixth grade I was considered "advanced" in reading level due to reading Tolkien.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 4 days ago

Sadly, yes. It is largely a consequence of two things: constant right-wing efforts to destroy public education and neoliberal profiteering. The first requires little explanation. The second is something that I only learned about because LeVar Burton (Geordie LaForge in Star Trek TNG) has produced a documentary on it and has been participating in activism to try to fix the damage.

Basically, with the neoliberal philosophy that profit is more important than anything else, education fell into the sights of profiteers. Through connections and back-room deals, schools have been forced to adopt proprietary "literacy" methods and tools that were initially developed explicitly to allow people with diminished cognitive capacity to somewhat function in society. This means that there's a whole generation that only learned how to do things like guess what a word is based on its shape, rather than understanding its phonetics or figuring out its meaning from its constituent roots.

This profiteering, as a side effect, also harms education overall as it has robbed people of their ability to engage in self-learning. Something that is only helping to cause further harm with people off-loading cognitive efforts to LLMs, and not having the skills to differentiate between when they spout pure bullshit and output something that is useful or factual.

[–] hackeryarn@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

There are various rating systems, but it boils down to comprehension. 6th grade reading level is about the level to be able to follow the plot of Harry Potter.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

About 11-12 years old. Educational standards should be a base understanding of simple novels and ability to write a basic page or two length essay on it. Math skills should be late arithmetic or early algebra. Or at least that's what I remember from the time.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago

Good chance for me to learn, what would it be called in your country? What country are you from?

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

If they are using the data that has been perpetuating this for a while now, they don’t have a single source for the percentage given.

It does say NEW STUDY though, so I could be wrong.

I recently watched a YouTube video about this exact percentage, I’ll try to find it and link it.