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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A promising start, but a thousand transistors at 25 kilohertz puts it where silicon tech was 60 years ago, so they've a long, long way to go.

If it scales, they can use modern tech and know-how to accelerate their progress and they can get funding, maybe this will be viable in a decade or so.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was thinking more about the availability of "molybdenum disulfide and tungsten diselenide" opposed to silicon, they don't sound exactly like Home Depot stuff.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

CPUs are not made in a home depot.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 11 hours ago

Hah, maybe not where you live.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fair point. From what I can tell, refined tungsten is actually an order of magnitude cheaper(!) than refined silicon, but molybdenum is over two orders or magnitude more expensive. ~300USD per ton, ~2000USD per ton and ~60000USD per ton respectively.

I assume that if this got up to scale industrially, savings could be made by recycling high purity molybdenum waste, but yes, it's not going to be cheap.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Modern transistors aren't just silicon though. The silicon is doped with various materials, presumably gallium, boron, arsenic, phosphorus, and cobalt, among other elements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_%28semiconductor%29

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But material costs don't matter much in computer pricing.

[–] microcapybara@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 hours ago

Exactly… the price of these new materials/CPUs isn’t in the amount of “exotic” elements, which is barely measurable on a per-unit basis, but in the production.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A promising start, but a thousand transistors at 25 kilohertz puts it where silicon tech was 60 years ago, so they’ve a long, long way to go.

If you're talking about the desire to replace today's modern CPUs, sure. However, in the world of electronics there are lots and lots of support electronics and ICs that run way slower than 25kHz. All of this assumes the technology can scale for cost effective manufacturing yields at this current speed. If its both expensive AND slow, it will have far fewer use cases.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago

The article seems to imply that the intention is to replace silicon entirely, but agreed, there might be niches where it can replace silicon even if full replacement might be unrealistic.