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This article is reliable. The author is Farnaz Fassihi. She has solid Iranian elite sources. She has lived and worked in Iran, has covered the country for three decades and was a war correspondent in the Middle East for 15 years.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you trying to make the case that things are better now than prior to the Islamic revolution?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The claim that there was "liberty" before is false. Unless "liberty" means being under surpression by an US installed regime.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Liberty is a broad concept and can definitely apply here. Do you think women feel like there is less oppression now?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

The Bureau for Intelligence and Security of the State (Persian: سازمان اطلاعات و امنیت کشور, romanized: Sâzmân-e Ettelâ'ât va Amniyyat-e Kešvar), shortened to SAVAK (Persian: ساواک) or S.A.V.A.K. (Persian: س.ا.و.ا.ک),[2] was the secret police of the Imperial State of Iran. It was established in Tehran in 1957 by national security law,[3] and continued to operate until the Islamic Revolution in 1979, when it was dissolved by Iranian prime minister Shapour Bakhtiar.

Writing at the time of the Shah's overthrow, Time magazine on February 19, 1979, described SAVAK as having "long been Iran's most hated and feared institution" which had "tortured and murdered thousands of the Shah's opponents".[7] The Federation of American Scientists also found it guilty of "the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners" and symbolising "the Shah's rule from 1963–79." The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails".

A lot of the structures and part of the personell of SAVAK was then integrated into the current internal police such as the Evin Prtison

There was no liberty under the US backed regime and whitewashing them as a means to present the US and Israel as the better alternative is wrong.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Firstly that proves absolutely nothing since they still have the exact same thing as well as open morality police that go around beating women.

But im not trying to make the point that the next admin will be better because the us put them there. I'm saying that regime change is an opportunity for change.

It could be a path to improvement it could make things worse we dont know it all depends on who gets into power. Regime change is weakening the party in power so a minority group can seize power.

Knowing trump, this will go incredibility poorly but just because he is an idiot and fucked it up doesnt mean it wasn't the right play at the time. If he didnt pull out of the nuclear deal and didnt attack Iran I wouldnt be sitting here thinking regime change is the best realistic option to off ramp regional tensions.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are arguing against a complete strawman. The claim was that Iranians would "remember" "liberty", which serves to whitewash the Shahs regime. I refuted that claim as it is evidently wrong. I don't know why you think that an internal police murdering, torturing and dissapearing thousands of people would fall under any understanding of liberty.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 day ago

You are cooked. I'm pretty sure people can look back on a time where they had rights even if it was far from perfect and compare it to today when they had less rights and call that liberty. Youre stuck on this internal police thing as if women aren't beaten to death by police for not wearing a hat.