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i cannot put into words how much i despise people who don't see anything wrong with crushing animals with their car, it's so fucking gross and IMO should disqualify them from handling a heavy vehicle.
It's no different than shooting animals with a gun (proper or airsoft or whatever), which i think any sensible person would agree should bar you from owning guns.
I think there's quite a big difference between senselessly running over an animal and shooting one with a gun. I mean hunting for food and animal population control are kinda necessary in a lot of situations, while running over an animal isn't.
Tbf it's also safer to hit the animal in many cases than slam on the brakes and possibly get rear-ended or swerve into possible dangerous hazards like other cars or poles. Many driving schools actually teach that it's often the safest option unless the animal itself is big enough to be a hazard like a deer or moose.
Doing either out of malicious intent is the problem, but then again doing just about anything out of malicious intent is a problem lol. It's more about the intent than the action.
yeah i kinda obviously wasn't talking about hunting, but just shooting a possum or whatever because you think it's fun
Go to Wendy's
Bring back the native big cats
There. Problem solved.
Don't really see the difference between going to Wendy's to eat meat and hunting for meat. Well besides the fact that industrialized farming practices are less ethical.
We no longer have the same ecology that used to be able to support big cats and wolves, at least in North America. Native Americans spent generations changing the environment to make deer over plentiful. Add that to the destruction of nearly all old forest as European settlers moved west, and it makes it infeasible to utilize apex predators to control the population of deer in the vast majority of north America.
You would prefer that animals are raised in horrendous conditions without ever seeing sunlight only to be slaughtered over shooting an animal that has grown up in it's natural habitat?
Like, vegetarians I can get, because they argue that we shouldn't be eating meat at all. Arguing that industrial farming is better for animal welfare than hunting is just absurd though.
There is a correlative link between the willingness to hurt animals and psychopathy. You start out hiring animals and you are more likely to be okay hurting humans.
If people are going to choose to eat meat, then I would prefer that they are protected from the trauma that comes with animal killing.
I think you're conflating hunting with torturing animals for entertainment...
Yes. Yes they are.
Not sure I see the difference
Lol, I'm sure you do.... you're just being purposely obtuse. Hunters do not hunt with intent to cause undue suffering to animals. With the animal harm associated with psychopathy the suffering is the express intent of the harm, not a byproduct of it.
If hunting was actually correlated with psychopathy then we'd be in a bit of a pickle, considering that we evolved from hunting and gathering societies.
Hmm .. maybe you're right in that it's a matter of degrees. To me, there's a minimum amount of empathy that people should have, and below that I think they're crazy. So yes, psychopaths are probably more crazy than hunters. I can see that making sense.
To me, it still takes a crazy mind to look at a breathing mammal and straight up murder it. More so the more intelligent it is.
Psychology is not really a hard science, there is no real minimum or maximum requirements needed for a diagnosis. It's all subjective to how a patient interacts and behaves compared to the social normative.
Eh, I guess it just depends on your ethical construct. I'm mostly a vegetarian because of environmental reasons, that and I think that industrialized farming is morally abhorrent. I would much rather hunt, kill, and consume a deer than go to a Wendy's. There's a lot less suffering involved in virtually all hunting than just about any industrialized farm.
Distancing yourself from the violence doesn't make you less complicit in the violence.
Eating animals inherently requires a willingness to harm animals. You can either ignore it or you can't.
I'm not talking about being complicit. I'm talking about exposure.
Just like you're not exposed to the child slavery that makes your cell phone possible, and that's good for your psyche.
But if you don't like that, be vegetarian.
Most people cope like you are here but it's honestly weird to see someone who is seemingly so self aware but also encourages this ignorance.
Remaining ignorant of these problems doesn't make them go away or make anyone any less complicit in perpetuating them.
It's worth considering that it's possible to eat without harming animals and it's possible to have a cell phone without child slavery.
Not knowing at all is one thing. Choosing to be willfully ignorant is another.
Yeah I agree.
It's not so much that I'm encouraging ignorance. I'm discouraging direct exposure.
You can know and be fully aware that animals are being killed. But to see it happen with your own eyes, or to participate, will fuck up a person.
I guess I would encourage direct exposure if I thought more people would end up being vegetarian. But my gut tells me that more people would just end up crazy.
From the totally opposite side of this. I think that people should be required to kill and butcher an animal at least once if they're going to eat meat.
That would quickly end factory farming, which needs to be abolished anyhow. We'd have a lot more vegans.
If that's the side you're coming from then I guess I can understand your argument. I was thinking from an animal welfare perspective, and the argument (which I've seen made before) that hunting is inhumane and that people should get their meat at the store instead.
As a side-note, I would really like a link to something backing up that people who hunt for food are more likely to be psychopaths.
Not hunting, hurting. But hunting is hurting.
Too lazy to write details. Please forgive the reddit link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/askpsychology/comments/1fdvifa/why_do_psychopaths_torture_animals/
Holy false equivalency Batman. There is a vast difference between hunting and torturing animals. It is a case where intent and what that one approaches the task has a substantial bearing on the individual's likelihood of anti-social personality disorder. An ethical hunter shows respect to the animal that they kill by doing their best to minimize suffering (this includes things like choice of weapon as well as ensuring that any game that they shoot it's tracked down so that they didn't suffer needlessly).
Do some people with anti-social personality disorder hunt? Yes. Some of them also eat at Wendy's. You sound like you're trying to invent a way to make yourself "better than" a large swath of people. I'd suggest that you practice some self-reflection.
I say this as someone who does not hunt but previously worked on a small poultry farm where I had to slaughter as well as euthanize animals. I've seen what good and bad quality of life does to animals. Ignoring the plight of factory farmed animals does not make you a better person.
Not sure I agree with the second take. Anyone that eats meat should be ethically required to take an animals life they will eat at some point so they directly know what it means to eat meat. If someone is uncomfortable with the thought of taking an animals life, why are they eating meat and paying someone else to do their dirty work?
I eat meat, but probably not as much as most people. I have butchered livestock and hunted in the past, taking an animals life is not a pleasant thing to do.
I'm sorry you had to do that. It sounds traumatic.
Animals, especially mammals, have complex inner lives, families, and friends. They experience emotion. They play.
I don't understand how people can look at that and be ok with killing it, and then not think the same thing about the stupider parts of humanity.
I guess people are just less delicious or something. No idea how else it's justified.
I just don't see something intrinsically immoral with killing an animal for food. Circle of life and all that. I don't think anything should suffer unduly so factory farms are a real problem, and there's an arbitrary line of intelligence/sociality that decides whether an animal is close enough to "personhood" that other principles are involved for me, but taking from nature with reverence and respect does not preclude hunting in my opinion.
Not exactly traumatic, but certainly not pleasant to look into somethings eyes and take it's life. A lot of men pretend it's a fun experience to be macho, but I think most people do not enjoy taking an animals life.
If you start out raising an animal for food you accept that you will have to kill it or pay someone else to do it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)
That's a really weird comment coming from (I assume) a Swede, given the popularity of hunting there.
do you think most people hunt here? like stockholm is just full of woodsmen in cabins?
I live in Oslo. Sounds about right 😜