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He'd probably have an easier time with the lawsuit if instead of appealing to upgrade logic, he just went with, I don't know...
THE TIME MICROSOFT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WINDOWS 10 WOULD BE THE LAST NUMBERED VERSION AND THAT THEY'D NEVER NEED TO UPGRADE OS VERSION AGAIN.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340
Pepperidge Farm remembers, Microsoft scum.
And that's why if you open the command line in Windows 11 you will read:
10.0.26200.5742
Et voilà!
To be fair, win 11 is more or less win 10 just with a shittier UI and even more intrusive bullshit.
No, they never did. Yes, it was all over the news, but they literally didn't. Go be angry at media for making stuff up. You don't have to believe me, go ahead and find that announcement yourself. You won't because there was never such an announcement.
Notice how even the article you linked doesn't give a full quote? It just quotes someone saying "last version" without any context of the sentence it was used in? I will give you the full quote where that comes form. Someone asked a Microsoft developer what they are currently working on, and the answer was:
It is obvious from context "last version" meant "latest version" here. And that misreading of a quote, conveniently not included in most articles, is the only source for all these news. No announcement. No journalist actually asking Microsoft about it. Just a fleeting comment by one Microsoft employee that obviously meant something else, in an answer about something else, but why let that get in the way of a good story.
And this was an answer to an audience question in a "Tiles, Notifications, and Action Center” presentation by a single Microsoft developer, on a developer conference. The absolute last place to look for a ground-breaking announcement about Microsoft's future.
And the exact same article you linked confirms Microsoft is still deciding on the name for the next Windows? Which would make no sense if there was no next Windows?
There will be no Windows 11, says some guy who doesn't work at Microsoft.
And then a bunch of cherry picked quotes about continous updates being a good thing. Yep, continous updates, just like we got in Windows Vista, and that have nothing to do with there not being new Windows versions.
Modern journalism is useless. Someone made up a thing, everyone else copied it. And not a single media outlet actually asked Microsoft about it. No one. Or maybe they did, but the answer meant there is no news, so let's ignore it.
"Modern journalism is useless", but when Jerry Nixon said "last", you're telling us he really meant "latest."
Go on, pull the other one. No really, it's got bells on it.
Yes, the least a journalist could do, if they really thought that a developer talking about changes to notifications accidentally let slip a huge announcement about something else, would be to confirm it with him, or anyone else at Microsoft. But that would make the story go away.
It's really not hard to find the original statement from Microsoft, which was made by a Microsoft employee.
At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows", a statement reflecting the company's intent to apply the software as a service business model to Windows, with new versions and updates to be released over an indefinite period.[68][69][70] In 2021, however, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 would be succeeded on compatible hardware by Windows 11—and that Windows 10 support will end on October 14, 2025, marking a departure from what had been dubbed "Windows as a service".[71][72]
Did you even read my comment? I already addressed what you said, and already included the quote.
But I really like how in the text you copied, "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows", a factual statement about the newest version of Windows at the time, was editorialized into "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows", a statement about the future that was never said.
Wish I could upvote you more. So sick of hearing about the "W10 is the last version of Windows" story.
Got you fam. You get an upvote too.
Nixon wasn’t speaking authoritatively there, I believe both he and M$ clarified that. And the “correlating” announcement was more “we will be continuously updating windows 10” unlike the assumed by many people to mean “perpetually” which is just silly.
You’re telling me you expected windows 10 to remain forever the last Windows version? Maybe if they decided to rename the OS moving forward.
I suppose you could take the stance of it just becoming versioned in the same way Linux distros are, but then you just get left being on an old version of Windows 10.
Son of a bitch, your profile pic got me blowing on my screen.
Nice work.
That's basically how Linux works, especially if you use a rolling release distro like Arch, openSUSE Tumbleweed, or Fedora Silverblue.
Honestly, if Windows followed a similar policy, I think people would be less interested in alternatives. Perhaps charge for access to new features, drop support for older hardware, etc, but let people keep using it if they like it.
There’s nothing that would change here other than the name of what’s installed. People would still be unable to update to the new version.
No, I didn't expect that, which is why it was stupid to say it in the first place. You can't turn this around and put it on the customer to have to read between the lines what the business is trying to actually say. How about, the multi-billion dollar company that has entire buildings full of lawyers doesn't make claims that it can't back up?
I'm not saying it's right to expect that the Windows operating system was never going to have to have a paid upgrade again, but it was also stupid and wrong to make the claim that it wouldn't. That's on them. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to lie to their customers and then later claim they didn't mean it. And furthermore, why give them the benefit of the doubt? You think if you were in trouble because of something stupid you said, Microsoft is going to come to your aid? Is it being fair? To a company that wouldn't care if they accidentally bankrupted you with a forced update?
And sure, they can "clarify"all they want that he didn't mean the words that he said precisely and accurately in unambiguous English. It doesn't change the fact that he's not some random employee. He is an executive. He knows, and everyone else should know as well, that he speaks as a representative of the company. Otherwise what's to keep them from lying through their teeth about whatever features they want? "It prints free money! It'll cure all your diseases! No, no.. he didn't mean that."
Again, an employee speaking off the cuff in an unofficial way isn’t “the company making claims.”
If this was the janitorial staff, would you have taken them at their word? An intern who waddled on stage? Granted Nixon had a little more authority within the company than either of those individuals, but he was by no means in a position that anyone paying attention would take his word on this particular statement.
The issue here is that the media took this “random” employees word as gospel and without getting clarification ran with dozens of “ThiS Is tHe lASt vErSIoN oF wINdOwS!” clickbait articles. All fact checking thrown out the window, no proper follow up. They just spun an entire story out of his off the cuff statement.
Edit: It should be clarified: Nixon wasn’t an executive. He was a software developer. I don’t believe he was even a “senior software developer” at the time.
Its funny since when the .iso for Windows 11 first became available, it would state you were installing Windows 10 or even Windows Server edition but after installing, it would be Windows 11
Window build numbers are still Windows 10.xxxxxx
That wasn't legally binding.
That was advertised.
I doubt that would hold up in court as false advertising given the significant time gap between them marketing Win 10 that way and them releasing Win 11.
Because MS went back on their promise that Win10 would be the last, you can no longer trust anything they say.
It's a free upgrade. Bitching about the version is insane. It was a marketing change they turned around on. It still meant you get a free upgrade which used to cost money.
Not if your PC doesn't support some arbitrary requirements. I can't upgrade because of the TPM requirement. There are ways to get around it. But at the same time Windows 11 isn't really something I want to upgrade to. It's got a bunch of crap I don't need or want. Not that Windows 10 didn't. Windows 11 is just worse and I've drawn a line.
I have to use Windows 11 for work so I know what I'm missing. Nothing. Well, the screenshot button being mapped to the snipping tool is nice. But there is already a shortcut for the snipping tool.
TPM isn't arbitrary, it's the path to a new from of CPU embedded, digital rights management that will marry your software to your cpu and make it non-transferable. The end goal being some successor of pluton where all code you download is encrypted and you can't ever see it.
You won't be able to jailbreak your PC in the future, just like 99% of smartphones.
You can't jailbreak phones?
No, it used to be a thing but not anymore. I have a bunch of android 9 phones and I tried, while there are proof of concept exploits that in theory could allow me to gain root access to my own phones, due to "safety reasons" the security research community no longer provides working prototypes.
Which really means that they are only for sale on the exploit market which I, as an individual cannot even access, not that I could afford these intelligence agency tooling.
So my phones are technically no longer "safe" to use and I would have to buy new ones, but also I cannot jailbreak them to use them for something else (in my case, as a simple wireless camera)
There are a few phones, less than 1% of all phones, which the manufacturer will allow you to unlock the bootloader and obtain root privileges. This privilege often costs 1000$-1500$ for what is the performance of a 300$ phone.
But that is not a jailbreak, that is an permitted privilege granted by to you by the manufacturer.
Of course, since almost no one can access root on their phones, the development of any non-sanctioned software has slowed to a crawl with most android rom projects dying outright.
So the point of my comment is that this dynamic will be slowly made the norm for the Personal Computer.
I had no idea, I always assumed it's possible but breaks banking and ID apps
When you actually jailbreak a phone, which is when you don't ask permission from the guy who sold you the phone, there are ways to have root access that is undetectable by any normal means. Ideally no application should be able to tell anything that you don't want to know. Want to have root and stuff don't break, they just shouldn't know.
Absolute nonsense 🤣
Hail the corporate god! Repent, for the end of Windows 10 is near!
Judging from your username, you also like those built-in AI features.
No, just an understanding how a court room works.
Let me quote the literal first line in this thread.
Boy you look foolish 🤣
Win 11 is a downgrade with forced ms accounts, more ads, more distractions (tabloid "news", weather, more ads, Microsoft own product ads) added to task bar, edge and notifications. On an OS I already paid money for!
And? What does that have to do with a lawsuit? You're going to go into court and argue that? It's amazing how hard it is for some to stay on topic.
You're the one coming in here with some bullshit argument. Nobody was complaining about the price of the upgrade until you came along and went off topic.
Ah got it, you are some AI bot trying to troll.
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