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I am not surprised. Europe isn't constant on the same level of racism across it but it's definitely worse everywhere compared to the US. A lot more acceptable to say something racist to non-white people and then be like, it's just a joke have a sense of humor just trying to lighten the mood. Like step into a bar and be the wrong color and the music stops and you're stared at (not joking random bars in Dusseldorf and Stuttgart)
East and nordics worse than west but the west has Italy and Spain. Even then, better in the west but outside of the large cities that are also international tourist destinations it's rough to not be white.
And then the significance of far right political parties and neo Nazi orgs always looked worse in Europe to me. In the US the 2 party system dulls out identity politics a bit even though it's getting worse whereas a 5-30% minority party that's primarily about ethnocentrism is fully possible across European countries and wield a strong influence in coalition forming. In the US, be more scared of law enforcement organizations. Europe fear more the young populace hanging around and the old people staring and progressively law enforcement organizations
Trump was not going to stymie interest in right wing politics for much time at all. It would give way to nationalism. Anti-globalisation that always gives way to anti-immigration that always gives way to anti whatever skin color or religion isn't the majority. Nationalism. Europe's boiling point for centuries. Even before Trump 1 were far right/neo Nazi orgs growing in size across Europe. In my opinion because of how much more of Europe is closer to ethnostates than the US, Europe can quickly devolve into far worse than the US faster. Benefits of Europe for non-whites is the better social safety nets but in terms of institutionalized/unaddressed racial bias/casual racism - all over Europe it's worse than the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The US just makes more headlines.
A joke is that the worst thing for Mexico is being next door to the US. The joke can swap the US for Europe and stick pretty much every country across Asia, Africa, and Oceania for Mexico. If you go back before like Monroe, replace the US with European countries for the former native nations in the americas
Talk about assimilation of immigrants in Europe compared to the US always sounded weird to me. Like there needs to be some major pervasive program to make immigrants like locals however the US manages to do. In the US first and second gen immigrants mostly live in neighborhoods composed of similar background people like Europeans complain about and then by 3rd generation they're mostly fully assimilated but disadvantaged minorities if they're not white but also not necessarily doing worse economically. Usually disadvantaged socially. Disadvantaged in media. There's plenty of effort for higher represeation for black people in everything but like no effort for non-black minorities. Assimilation programs in the US are practically non-existent or nothing burgers. Little effort just Americans mostly don't think about assimilation programs. Assimilate to what defined culture. Things monoculture from the ones born in the US. Out in Europe people are so close to saying reeducation camps for immigrants
TL;Dr "we throw brown people in ghettos so we don't see how much more racist our country is"
Ghettos to me are just the natural destination. People these days try to conflate immigrants all as wealthy immigrants to downplay immigrant successes in upward mobility but pretty sure most non-white people across Europe and the US came over as refugees/asylum seekers usually from wars from invading Americans and Europeans. My impression of what immigrants across Europe are mad about and it's all former colonial holdings that were Muslim countries and have been proxy war central since after the Ottoman empire fell.
They're broke. They're traumatized from a warzone and/or poverty (level of poverty unfamiliar to Americans and Europeans) and then traumatized again from the uprooting their life from tgeir community to another country where they will undoubtedly face some level of racism and language barrier
They're broke so of course they'll end up in poor communities and communities of similar background where they can function day to day with less language barrier issues. Language barrier assimilation. Classic and ongoing solution for people is their children learn the language in elementary/middle school and as elementary/middle school children, they're helping their parents fill out paperwork and talk to doctors/school admins/whoever. Why are children of immigrants so resilient and resourceful but oftenly not so whimsical as kids with long lineages in a country, those children often are doing adult stuff from a very early age to support old people in the community that have trouble learning the countries language. Early age responsibilities mentally age kids quick
Then as the children grow up make money and the neighborhood economically stabilizes from a large community of hard working immigrants, now the white people want to move in for all the high quality food and grocery stores. Not the best landscaping and fresh paint buildings, but possibly the most convienent neighborhoods to live in now that the neighborhoods economically grown and stabilized.
So convienent and ethnic while still mostly anyone under the age of like 50 can speak the countries primary language. There's very little active efforts to force assimilation. It's just children that grow up watching the same media as all the other children wanting to fit in growing up. I don't know what assimilation program even means when Europeans keep talking about it's necessity and using the US as a measuring stick of assimilation program success. The US barely does anything in that regard. Just let's it play out over a couple generations