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You'd think what's going on in what used to be the US (now a crater of burning shit) would have been a lesson for the rest of you.
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While it didnt kill the right wing populist parties, it did stall many of their efforts to get their chosen leaders into office. We shall see how the all shakes out.
Stupid euros always talking mad shit about hep they're better than us and turn around and do the same dumb shit
Anyone who speaks the language / can go through to that RTL site able to tell us the specifics of the poll done? Like what was used for a sample, confidence level, etc.
One thing I've seen in other areas are polls claiming broad support for right wing politics, based on internet polls that have huge bias / confidence issues -- like in Canada, they claim Alberta's suddenly separatist, based on online polls where they can't verify the respondents were even in Alberta. Elevating that sort of non-poll to news-worthy story is likely a combination of click bait journalism and right-wing/US propaganda biased.
WTF is happening in the world rn? Why are all the right wingers taking control? I thought it was just the US going through a crazy-stupid phase
Billionaires learned how to use the world wide web as an AI powered disinformation network
Social media. Muskrat, Zucc, Thiel, etc. are high on the fumes of the AI hype, and want that sweet AI money, from the surveillance state using AI.
Well right now in the UK we voted for the supposed ~~left, centre,~~ centre right wing party (The UK has the same 2 party issue as the US more or less) and they reacted by being even more right wing than the right wing we just got rid who recently also just imploded their popularity and now we're stuck with the far right party next election because UK politics is such a caste based exclusive club that no one on the left or even real centre has enough political or monetary capital to form an opposition.
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We can either blame the western political system for it or some other agents interested in making it fail...
Asimov's second foundation spoilers
spoiler
As with the second foundation, it was strange to see psicohistory predicting so precisely the future, here it is very strange to see all western democracies fail at the same time
I think this is the beginning of Foundation's Edge, tho. Second Foundation book deals with the First Foundation looking for the planet where that homes the Second and revolves around Arkady Darell
I think you'll get a lot of different answers depending on who you ask, and i think liberalism and allowing other people their own opinion / interpretation of things is important. Yet here's my take:
- There was a gross mis-interpretation of reality around the 2000s when people believed that we could lay down all violence and gross behavior and enter a "perfect, soft world" which was understood as an absence of sexism and nationalism, mostly. However, these are instincts so deeply rooted in people that you can't just "get them out" in any way, even if you try to create a social movement around "calling out" men who show sexist behavior. What happens instead is that these suppressed groups seek their own expression, and you end up with far-right populism.
You're confused because you're existing in a censorship bubble.
My fellow Europeans, fight! Keep fighting until we drive them back to their basements!
Honestly, this is way past that point now.
I know an otherwise perfectly normal middle-aged woman who has booked herself train tickets to a pro-Tommy Robinson protest march in London next month.
It's not National Front skinheads with dog whistle tattoos any more. It's hit the normies. If they want the normies back, the ruling parties are going to have to stop putting asylum seekers in local hotels in shithole towns like mine, because it's just going to take a spark to set this whole country ablaze right now. They need to get processing people to an insane level, build actual accommodation to house them (because this isn't stopping any time soon).
The whole asylum process needs a radical overhaul, like being able to apply for it without having to trek across the world (go to an embassy for example, and then get distributed to countries according to their means). If they carry on with this "we have to take them in because they made it to our country and it's the law" routine, the whole continent will fall to fascism. If sane rulers do not listen to the people, they will turn to monsters to fix their perceived problems.
Man it's the 1920s all over again!
This is so depressing. I remember 10 years ago seeing how the world was changing, I was full of hope for the future, we were slowly becoming more socially accepting of minorities and it seemed to be slightly getting better. Now the progress didn't stop, it fucking reversed and shit is so much worse than it was. This makes me really sad.
That's why it's a called a "reaction"
We are speedrunning robber-barrons through WW-II in one shot this time. What a ride. Can I get off, please?
The people pretending they cared about the gays and the minorities ignored people's basic human needs.
That's how we got here.
Who got all the new wealth from increased productivity post 1980? The gays and minorities?
The billionaires who are scapegoating gays and minorities just like they almost always do.
I don't think they're saying helping gays and minorities was the problem. I think probably more that rich and powerful for a while learned they could get votes while enacting predatory economic policies by marketing social issues where the government doesn't actually do a ton there but put minority groups into marketing campaigns for what public programs there are out there and advertise non-governmental things minorities can seek. So minorities and LGBQT were really good marketing for politicians and the rich while they were pushing privatization, lower taxes, austerity, higher surveillance/police state, etc
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I think everytime it starts to change for the better money puts it's finger on the scale
"My wage-slaves are getting a bit too comfortable. Here's a bunch of money. Go fuck with them."
- Sociopathic Oligarchs
The US is a huge cautionary tale that other countries would do well to heed. I see "Why don't the Americans do something??" all the time, but meanwhile, your country is creeping towards the same conclusion. "We'll do something to stop it if it gets too bad!" Yeah, that's what we said while the far-right continued to gather support.
I thought Nazism, Hitler and WWII was the cautionary tale? I wasn't present at the time, but i heard that Bad Things happened.
I also thought that after WWII, systems were put in place to ensure that it would not happen again. Where are these systems and why aren't they working?
Right after WW2 pretty much every European country that still had colonial holdings in the Americas, Africa, and Asia went straight back to ruling them with a iron fist. Wars swept across the world outside of Europe and the Anglosphere. Wars of independence.
To that point I don't think there were truly any safeguards put in place for minorities. Really it was just ban Nazi imagery and formation of European trade zones that would progressively include more governance cooperation eventually forming the EU.
The safeguards in place were done to prevent EU member states from waring with each other, not safeguards for minorities or anyone outside of EU member states. Solution for Jewish people wasn't to make the EU safer for Jewish people, it was to take land elsewhere and make Israel. Anyone outside of EU member states including colonial holdings were fair game for mass destruction. A lot is made about the civil rights era in the US, European countries had there own versions of that too. The lesson of WW2 was that war sucks, wars should be fought on other continents, move the Jews to Israel. Modern civil rights in European countries had to be fought for as well post-WW2 but I think it was easier there because the minority groups were much smaller in number compared to the US so there was less racist blowback against social safety nets that non-whites could benefit from. Minorities were politically irrelevant until the past couple decades once the children grew up and population sizes grew and they started making it into significant political offices and corporate leadership positions. Now racists started feeling insecure a lot more regularly against the growing number of successful and visible minorities. People that were certain they weren't racist are finding themselves racist as minority populations are now in their surroundings rather than just a passing mention
Doesn't surprise me.
When you cut everyone out of the conversation who wants to call men men and women women, it creates an opportunity for politicians cater to those people.
Moral purity testing on the left has reached exhausting and reality defying levels.
I get the impression that feminist movements in the late 2000s got the impression that they'd no longer "need men" and that they could safely dispose of them. that's why you see so many comments talking badly about "men".
surprise, 2020 election saw 25% of young men (aged 18 - 30) vote for far-right politicians. and so-called feminists really have the audacity to ask "how could this happen?" duh.
It’s a bit more complicated than feminists bad. What happened is that they were successful in many ways for example education is now dominated by women and girls have better grades and achieve higher than boys. Boys have fallen by the wayside. Boys only institutions that catered to their needs have shrunk, ceased to exist, or been replaced by mixed. Men’s issues like higher mental health issues, more homeless, more incarceration, more suicide, loneliness, addiction, etc. don’t get much attention. That’s not the feminists’ fault. Blaming men and patriarchy for every ill in society is of course an easy scapegoat and makes men feel guilty.
The far right caters to this feeling, telling men that they are okay, important, and accepted. They explicitly try to deepen the gap, not bridge it.
A better future and society is possible when we overcome the division.
--ended up writing a rambling rant of ways the left are really bad communicators and single minded in their activist interests--
I thought this would happen but you get ostracized, at least scolded, if you tried to bring up the risk that not providing men the same outreach that women get for expanding career field interests and mental health counseling would possibly end up with a generation(s) of men falling behind and feeling isolated and attacked
Bring it up now and you'll still get an incredulous reaction like it's impossible for men to have struggles that aren't their fault and should be mitigated.
Two areas where I see it as mind blowingly dumb. Guy grows up in an abusive environment or possibly came from extreme poverty domestically or as an asylum seeker/refugee - they get lumped into the stereotypical male/female culture war and are encouraged to be supportive of these culture wars and eventually they'll have their time. Anyone with experience know men and women that are traumatized take time to get them to open up. With women patience is expected. With men spit it out or get out of the way to open the stage for VP of whatever company making 300k a year to tell you how if they were a different demographic they'd have made that 10 years earlier and be CEO now, maybe president of the country.
It's been decades in my opinion since poverty and income inequality has been at the forefront of leftist social communities. At least not when it's targeting straight guys that grew up in terrible circumstances
The other is say a married couples, male and female couple, child dies - pretty much everyone is going to be consoling the mother and ignoring the father. Maybe telling the father they have to be strong and supportive of their wife. Both need support. Homeless beds at like soup kitchens or elsewhere. I understand women are more vulnerable, but it's pretty messed up how much more resources there seems to be to prevent homelessness of women compared to men
Rates of depression especially with boys have been going up for a long time now but I feel like we've been heads in the sanding it for a while now because for some reason being mindful for boys and mens mental health is the patriarchy and that's those a part of the patriarchys responsibility
Still though rates of depression has skyrocketed with women too especially teenage girls but we're in some state of no introspection currently certain that our leftist behavior and rhetoric must be true, we read the literature
But on that literature we read it doesn't mean we interpret well and choose the correct action. And in speech we overuse academic jargon and get mad at people when they misinterpret our academic jargon and instead of speaking in a more consumable fashion, we say we won't dumb things down (which is disrespectful speech to always calling it dumbing down) and spend years arguing with people that they just don't get it, read the literature
Ehhhh. I feel like us on the left are charisma and speech deficient, people who see poor and non-college educated people and get the ick, really bad interpreters of data. Like rising depression and isolation from guys have been a thing for over a decade. Same with women. 2020 demographic voting data should have been a huge siren but somehow 2024 everyone was still like, if you're a minority or woman, you default to never Trump and care more about social issues than safety and finances. Shock of his demographic gains that showed up increasingly since 2016
I regularly hear mocking of people in poor neighborhoods who place security as their highest or like top 2 concern along with jobs because don't they know crime rates since the 90s are way down. Damn, think. Poor people live in the high crime rate areas. High crime rate areas are just shrinking but it's still bad for those that live in them.
Same with how going to them and praising the wanton graffiti as culture and art and not understanding why community members paint over them and really dislike graffiti taggers who are often gang affiliated. Like data. It's not new data about crime rates before and after painting over graffiti but on the left and it's obsession with art and performance, got to communicate with poor communities with art they see like graffiti. Of course it falls flat
How do you intend to fix the divide?
It's not as if you can just make men earn more and have more prestige in society that easily. Who would do that? Also, wouldn't that be countered by feminism?
How do you realistically solve the men loneliness problem? Do you have any approach to making women less biased against dating men that they "don't need"? But if women need men, doesn't that counter feminism? How do you solve this problem?
Helping men is possible in many ways that are totally independent of women. Better education from child level on how to process, express, and handle emotions. More spaces for boys and men to bond and do things as a group away from screens. Non commercial third spaces have almost vanished and are needed direly.
making women less biased against dating men that they "don't need"?
Sounds like a typical incel meme. Almost all (hetero) women want a man as a partner. Even if they don’t necessarily need one to have a career, children, a bank account, live their own lives, and so on. The desire to share their life with a man is certainly there and strong. Maybe not in the basement you retreated to. The outside world is packed full of women looking for a suitable man as a partner.
Sexuality, procreation, and pair bonding are hardwired instincts in humans and still there.
Spend some time in places where actual real women are and listen to them to get a reality check.
There are so many mid 30s to early 40s women desperately looking for a husband to have a family with. That’s when those who thought they didn’t need a man, realize their deeper desire.
It's easy to blame Russia and China, but it's not really that. It's clear that this is a symptom that something is wrong, and that is stagnating or worsening living conditions, unhappiness with how society operates and people hearing that turn to reaction.
Left doesn't have an answer given how marginalized they are, all you get are center-lib parties that pretend everything is okay or that focus on liberal middle class issues. It's no surprise
The problem is simply humanity. At any given moment in time, there are a lot of these ugly, angry, nasty, unhappy people, and they want control of everything so they can take their anger out on those they hate. This is a natural human archetype. They are with us now, and they have ALWAYS been with us. The are the MAGAs and the European far right, they are the warlords that run various small nations, they are the Vikings, the Huns, the Mongols, the Romans, etc.
It was the Nazis in the 20th century, it's the MAGAs in the 21st. It's not that MAGA is copying the Nazis, they are both the same sort of people following the agenda that those people always follow - just generally making life miserable for as many innocent people as possible.
The archetype includes being arrogant and demanding, but that doesn't mean we have to allow it. Most of the time, a strong moral leader can keep the assholes at bay, but every now and then, someone drops the ball, and they gain power, and start fucking with the world. The 21st century Dems dropped the ball badly, over and over, and did nothing to prepare for the MAGA onslaught.
Even after decades of the worst possible election behavior, the Dems instantaneously defended MAGA, and declared the 2024 election "fair & square," before even waiting to see if there had been any review of the election at all. These people are treasonous criminals who will do literally anything. This election was the ONLY thing keeping him from getting a life sentence, how could anyone believe that this is the first election that he didn't cheat on?
We aren't going to defeat these people by appealing to their better nature, they have none. It's who they are, and who these people have always been. We tend to forget from generation to generation that we have to hold the line against the worst people in the world, because they are out there, and they are ALWAYS planning to take control. It's important to remember that, and fight them every single step of the way. We can't accept any excuses like we have to let them do it because we don't really know that the outcome will be bad until we do it. Yes we do, because we've let these people have their way over and over, and they ALWAYS kick us in the nuts.
We need to stop trying to kick the football that our enemy is holding.
Depends on, the outer rings often have better nature that is being slowly eroded by hate fed from the inner rings.
They get these people by trying to appeal to things liberals at least seem to glimpse over, then they give you scapegoats instead of real solutions. Then slowly they feed you even more "problems" that don't affect you, with scapegoats to get rid off, often with a web of conspiracies tying it all together.
I was a Fidesz voter in 2010. They told me the previous government were radical communists, who will kick me out of college, then force my disabled ass to work in underpaid factory jobs, with mandatory overtimes that may not get paid for a while. I saw a lot of my girl classmates getting groomed as teens, and thanks to the fucked up laws of Hungary, it was all legal. I got targets to hate for it; feminists, who forced these girls to "marry rich guys ASAP"; and LGBTQ+ people as MSZP did not raise the AoC to match it to homosexual relationships, but lowered it for everyone.
Then after 2010, my face got eaten by the leopards. On the day Fidesz added a "close in age" exception to our fucked up AoC laws to allow 17 year olds to prey on 12 year olds, I was so angry I couldn't sleep. I also was a young atheist who just didn't believe in a "Stalinist form of persecution of religion" (of which I got a horribly distorted description), but after how strongly religion got pushed by Fidesz, I started to gravitate towards stronger forms of secularism. And lastly the widely criticized implementation of mandatory internships only got solved for those in vocational education, meaning as a college student I would have had to paid a used car's price to a HR personnel to hire me, especially due to my autism, which at leas in one place thought was actually "intellectual disability, like in Forrest Gump".
So interesting to read a perspective from another country dealing with much of the same issues.
The feeling of not being able to sleep, of impotent outrage? Yeah, that's how I felt when he started that family separation policy, and they started stealing children from their parents. It was the most egregious thing they'd done to that point, and it was beyond belief that this was happening in my country. There was nothing I could do except call and email my elected representatives, most of whom agreed with it.
I FEEL your frustration.
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Ooof. That’s 50% of people who are CDU or AfD voters. As an immigrant in Germany, that’s terrifying.
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