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Doesn't surprise me.
When you cut everyone out of the conversation who wants to call men men and women women, it creates an opportunity for politicians cater to those people.
Moral purity testing on the left has reached exhausting and reality defying levels.
I get the impression that feminist movements in the late 2000s got the impression that they'd no longer "need men" and that they could safely dispose of them. that's why you see so many comments talking badly about "men".
surprise, 2020 election saw 25% of young men (aged 18 - 30) vote for far-right politicians. and so-called feminists really have the audacity to ask "how could this happen?" duh.
It’s a bit more complicated than feminists bad. What happened is that they were successful in many ways for example education is now dominated by women and girls have better grades and achieve higher than boys. Boys have fallen by the wayside. Boys only institutions that catered to their needs have shrunk, ceased to exist, or been replaced by mixed. Men’s issues like higher mental health issues, more homeless, more incarceration, more suicide, loneliness, addiction, etc. don’t get much attention. That’s not the feminists’ fault. Blaming men and patriarchy for every ill in society is of course an easy scapegoat and makes men feel guilty.
The far right caters to this feeling, telling men that they are okay, important, and accepted. They explicitly try to deepen the gap, not bridge it.
A better future and society is possible when we overcome the division.
--ended up writing a rambling rant of ways the left are really bad communicators and single minded in their activist interests--
I thought this would happen but you get ostracized, at least scolded, if you tried to bring up the risk that not providing men the same outreach that women get for expanding career field interests and mental health counseling would possibly end up with a generation(s) of men falling behind and feeling isolated and attacked
Bring it up now and you'll still get an incredulous reaction like it's impossible for men to have struggles that aren't their fault and should be mitigated.
Two areas where I see it as mind blowingly dumb. Guy grows up in an abusive environment or possibly came from extreme poverty domestically or as an asylum seeker/refugee - they get lumped into the stereotypical male/female culture war and are encouraged to be supportive of these culture wars and eventually they'll have their time. Anyone with experience know men and women that are traumatized take time to get them to open up. With women patience is expected. With men spit it out or get out of the way to open the stage for VP of whatever company making 300k a year to tell you how if they were a different demographic they'd have made that 10 years earlier and be CEO now, maybe president of the country.
It's been decades in my opinion since poverty and income inequality has been at the forefront of leftist social communities. At least not when it's targeting straight guys that grew up in terrible circumstances
The other is say a married couples, male and female couple, child dies - pretty much everyone is going to be consoling the mother and ignoring the father. Maybe telling the father they have to be strong and supportive of their wife. Both need support. Homeless beds at like soup kitchens or elsewhere. I understand women are more vulnerable, but it's pretty messed up how much more resources there seems to be to prevent homelessness of women compared to men
Rates of depression especially with boys have been going up for a long time now but I feel like we've been heads in the sanding it for a while now because for some reason being mindful for boys and mens mental health is the patriarchy and that's those a part of the patriarchys responsibility
Still though rates of depression has skyrocketed with women too especially teenage girls but we're in some state of no introspection currently certain that our leftist behavior and rhetoric must be true, we read the literature
But on that literature we read it doesn't mean we interpret well and choose the correct action. And in speech we overuse academic jargon and get mad at people when they misinterpret our academic jargon and instead of speaking in a more consumable fashion, we say we won't dumb things down (which is disrespectful speech to always calling it dumbing down) and spend years arguing with people that they just don't get it, read the literature
Ehhhh. I feel like us on the left are charisma and speech deficient, people who see poor and non-college educated people and get the ick, really bad interpreters of data. Like rising depression and isolation from guys have been a thing for over a decade. Same with women. 2020 demographic voting data should have been a huge siren but somehow 2024 everyone was still like, if you're a minority or woman, you default to never Trump and care more about social issues than safety and finances. Shock of his demographic gains that showed up increasingly since 2016
I regularly hear mocking of people in poor neighborhoods who place security as their highest or like top 2 concern along with jobs because don't they know crime rates since the 90s are way down. Damn, think. Poor people live in the high crime rate areas. High crime rate areas are just shrinking but it's still bad for those that live in them.
Same with how going to them and praising the wanton graffiti as culture and art and not understanding why community members paint over them and really dislike graffiti taggers who are often gang affiliated. Like data. It's not new data about crime rates before and after painting over graffiti but on the left and it's obsession with art and performance, got to communicate with poor communities with art they see like graffiti. Of course it falls flat
How do you intend to fix the divide?
It's not as if you can just make men earn more and have more prestige in society that easily. Who would do that? Also, wouldn't that be countered by feminism?
How do you realistically solve the men loneliness problem? Do you have any approach to making women less biased against dating men that they "don't need"? But if women need men, doesn't that counter feminism? How do you solve this problem?
Helping men is possible in many ways that are totally independent of women. Better education from child level on how to process, express, and handle emotions. More spaces for boys and men to bond and do things as a group away from screens. Non commercial third spaces have almost vanished and are needed direly.
Sounds like a typical incel meme. Almost all (hetero) women want a man as a partner. Even if they don’t necessarily need one to have a career, children, a bank account, live their own lives, and so on. The desire to share their life with a man is certainly there and strong. Maybe not in the basement you retreated to. The outside world is packed full of women looking for a suitable man as a partner.
Sexuality, procreation, and pair bonding are hardwired instincts in humans and still there.
Spend some time in places where actual real women are and listen to them to get a reality check.
There are so many mid 30s to early 40s women desperately looking for a husband to have a family with. That’s when those who thought they didn’t need a man, realize their deeper desire.
i mean i don't think what you just said is true, because i see a lot of women in their 20s and 30s without partners, and they don't seem set on getting one either. idk why that is, but the phenomenon is there. not having partners is on the rise objectively, i'm quite sure, though i should go check for better statistics about this, actually.
also please don't be so insulting. "Maybe not in the basement you retreated to". this is exactly why the left doesn't have traction. because they insult their audiences instead of listening to them and taking their concerns seriously.