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The device known as shoyu-tai (or soy-sauce snapper in Japanese) was invented in 1954 by Teruo Watanabe, the founder of Osaka-based company Asahi Sogyo, according to a report from Japan’s Radio Kansai.

It was then common for glass and ceramic containers to be used but the advent of cheap industrial plastics allowed the creation of a small polyethylene container in the shape of a fish, officially named the “Lunch Charm”.

The invention quickly spread around Japan and eventually worldwide, and it is estimated that billions have been produced.

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[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

A Spanish company (I imagine there are a few worldwide) develops compostable bioplastic containers using PLA, polylactic acid, the most used plastic in 3D printing, in food safe formulations. I suppose there are limitations on what it can contain, and I don't know if soy sauce is compatible. I know that it's used for single serving olive oil, for example. There are challenges, like storage life, but it's a good start.

I do a lot of 3D printing. Printing PLA things for food storage is not recommended, not because of PLA, but because filaments often have modifiers to enhance certain properties that may not be food safe, and because contact with materials and parts, like extrusion nozzles may add impurities that are probably not food safe..

[–] arc99@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Some people just don’t appreciate the irony of killing turtles with fish-shaped plastic, what can you do

PLA isn't food safe in 3d printing mostly because of layers on a print trap foreign material / bacteria and water can also seep into microscopic gaps into infill and it becomes a breeding ground. I doubt it would be useful for anything squeezy but it might be useful for single use forks and other utensils. But paper / wood can do those things already so I don't see PLA being much use. For sachets I expect the answer is paper with some kind of biodegradable lining which gives a product a shelf life of a few years but does degrade in time.

Also, some "biodegradable" products are only compostable in specialist facilities where it can be shredded and broken down with water / heat / pressure. I think PLA is a bit like that. If you print something out of PLA and stick it out in the garden or even toss it into a compost bin it'll still be there in 10 years although it might be faded, warped & brittle. Maybe it eventually biodegrades but it's not quick enough.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that PLA also leaks microplastics into food and could also be considered a risk to health just like other plastics.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aren't these biodegradable, though? I imagine the body would eventually process them, unlike hydrocarbon based plastics.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“Biodegradable” doesn’t mean “biodegradable in the conditions in the human body.” Lots of ‘green’ plastics are only compostable at a fairly high temperature (120F/50C) and with specific bacteria present.

PLA is not one of those. It's used in biodegradable implants. Even fairly large bone screws will dissolve within a couple years.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Biodegradable ( “green” ) needs a new definition

[–] twack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I've started to see home compostable on some packages.

[–] MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The hard part about PLA is that while it is biodegradable, it's only in certain conditions/facilities who are set up for it, and it's not very common around the country. I'm all for what the company is doing, and I already do see a lot of PLA products in fast food (like soda cups), but it doesn't mean much if we don't have the facilities to properly dispose of it.

Source: I do a modest amount of 3D printing

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm definitely not a polymer expert, I also have my information from what I read as a hobbyist. My take is that while PLA will compost in commercial facilities, it will eventually biodegrade in a reasonable time frame, with minor impact to nature. Better than the alternatives, I guess.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How does it biodegrade though?

Just like disintegrate into tiny plastic molecules that we can no longer see but it's still plastic? Or does it degrade as far as becoming the individual components that made up the plastic and can be recycled and used by things in nature?

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 1 points 18 hours ago

I don't know. As I mentioned elsewhere I'm not a chemical engineer, but I imagine that being made from starches, it may be decomposed into digestible compounds. Just guessing here.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Pla is poly lactic acid, so it breaks down into lactic acid and then further into water and CO2 with heat and bacteria exposure.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

PLA is pretty brittle AFAIK. these need to be squeezed, so i’m not sure it’d do… perhaps they could add something to it? but whether that additive would also be compostable… it’d certainly make it non-recyclable

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 1 points 18 hours ago

I used to buy the olive oil containers for a restaurant I owned. They worked quite well. Small single serving cups with a peel off lid. I don't know if the lids were bioplastic, though.

[–] dlatch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately while PLA is technically biodegradable, it requires very specific conditions that can only be achieved in dedicated facilities. So it's not like you can throw it in the composting bin and be done with it. It will also survive for a long time in nature.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Sure, but PLA will eventually biodegrade, unlike things like polypropilene or polyethylene, which are incredibly useful precisely because of their imperviousness.